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	<title>Comments on: About the &#8220;Cluster&#8221; of Autism Among Somali Children in Minneapolis</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Millie Hinkle</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/about-the-cluster-of-autism-among-somali-children-in-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-565348</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Millie Hinkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a proposal that  will be introduced by Dr. Millie Hinkle in April to the Dairy board and the FDA to allow camel milk to be sold in the US so that studies can be done with autistic children.  We need double blind medically supervised studies done to see if the results will be as promising as those done in Isreal with camel milk and autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a proposal that  will be introduced by Dr. Millie Hinkle in April to the Dairy board and the FDA to allow camel milk to be sold in the US so that studies can be done with autistic children.  We need double blind medically supervised studies done to see if the results will be as promising as those done in Isreal with camel milk and autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristina,

Reread chapter 6 of Paul Offit&#039;s book.  There were three experiments where the rate of autism went up when thimerosal was removed from the vaccines.  The question, &quot;If not mercury then what?&quot; came up.  It was answered without proof as being because of the diagnostics.  It could just as easily been answered as being because the vaccination rate went up during the experiments.  That, too, would have been speculation.  Both sides have allowed speculation to morph into dogmatic faith.  This does the autism community no good.  

I see autism as a medical issue.  There are a number of medical aspects of autism that will never be explored because they step dangerously close to thimerosal and/or vaccines.  These aspects that could be exploited to make the lives of our children better will never be exploited.  I find that frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristina,</p>
<p>Reread chapter 6 of Paul Offit&#8217;s book.  There were three experiments where the rate of autism went up when thimerosal was removed from the vaccines.  The question, &#8220;If not mercury then what?&#8221; came up.  It was answered without proof as being because of the diagnostics.  It could just as easily been answered as being because the vaccination rate went up during the experiments.  That, too, would have been speculation.  Both sides have allowed speculation to morph into dogmatic faith.  This does the autism community no good.  </p>
<p>I see autism as a medical issue.  There are a number of medical aspects of autism that will never be explored because they step dangerously close to thimerosal and/or vaccines.  These aspects that could be exploited to make the lives of our children better will never be exploited.  I find that frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/about-the-cluster-of-autism-among-somali-children-in-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-560310</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;It can&#039;t be vaccines&quot; is the only statement made to dispute claims of an &quot;epidemic of autism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;It can&#8217;t be vaccines&#8221; is the only statement made to dispute claims of an &#8220;epidemic of autism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/about-the-cluster-of-autism-among-somali-children-in-minneapolis/comment-page-1/#comment-561783</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are clusters and then there are clusters.  The Somalis appear to have twice the rate of the rest of the population.  That is quite a rate.  

As I said before, I witnessed the change in autism rate.  What I saw was a change.  Classical autism went from unknown to expected in the school district.  Yes there were odd kids that rightly would be classified as Aspergers, but the classic autistic behavior was unknown.  

The idea that there is no epidemic comes from the question of why the rate jumped if it &quot;can&#039;t be vaccines&quot;.  &quot;It can&#039;t be vaccines.&quot;  is not a reason for no epidemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are clusters and then there are clusters.  The Somalis appear to have twice the rate of the rest of the population.  That is quite a rate.  </p>
<p>As I said before, I witnessed the change in autism rate.  What I saw was a change.  Classical autism went from unknown to expected in the school district.  Yes there were odd kids that rightly would be classified as Aspergers, but the classic autistic behavior was unknown.  </p>
<p>The idea that there is no epidemic comes from the question of why the rate jumped if it &#8220;can&#8217;t be vaccines&#8221;.  &#8220;It can&#8217;t be vaccines.&#8221;  is not a reason for no epidemic.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Clustering means one thing. It is not all genetics. This puts a gaping hole in the theory that the rise in autism is due to the change in diagnostics.&lt;/i&gt;

That there are environmental causes for conditions (and there are some possible causes for autism, like congenital Rubella) does not mean that the prevalence of the condition is not stable. Again, mental retardation is a good analogy here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Clustering means one thing. It is not all genetics. This puts a gaping hole in the theory that the rise in autism is due to the change in diagnostics.</i></p>
<p>That there are environmental causes for conditions (and there are some possible causes for autism, like congenital Rubella) does not mean that the prevalence of the condition is not stable. Again, mental retardation is a good analogy here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although:

&lt;blockquote&gt;....apparent clusters of diseases are reported all the time. Most of the time the clusters are not real, meaning they are just statistical flukes. So the first question to answer with any apparent cluster is - does this represent a real epidemiological phenomenon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=421&quot;&gt;Neurologica&lt;/a&gt; blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;.apparent clusters of diseases are reported all the time. Most of the time the clusters are not real, meaning they are just statistical flukes. So the first question to answer with any apparent cluster is &#8211; does this represent a real epidemiological phenomenon.</p></blockquote>
<p>from the <a href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=421">Neurologica</a> blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clustering means one thing.  It is not all genetics.  This puts a gaping hole in the theory that the rise in autism is due to the change in diagnostics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clustering means one thing.  It is not all genetics.  This puts a gaping hole in the theory that the rise in autism is due to the change in diagnostics.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAJ...1 in 10 or 1 in 20.  I see it, and not that far in the future, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAJ&#8230;1 in 10 or 1 in 20.  I see it, and not that far in the future, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand Hannah Poling is right in the threshold of the ADOS. 

I realize we&#039;ve discussed this before, but RAJ&#039;s critiques of the autism construct don&#039;t make sense to me. 

By his reasoning, mental retardation must be a bogus construct too. It&#039;s not measured biologically, it doesn&#039;t matter what causes it to diagnose it, and the IQ threshold (70) is essentially arbitrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Hannah Poling is right in the threshold of the ADOS. </p>
<p>I realize we&#8217;ve discussed this before, but RAJ&#8217;s critiques of the autism construct don&#8217;t make sense to me. </p>
<p>By his reasoning, mental retardation must be a bogus construct too. It&#8217;s not measured biologically, it doesn&#8217;t matter what causes it to diagnose it, and the IQ threshold (70) is essentially arbitrary.</p>
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		<title>By: alyric</title>
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		<dc:creator>alyric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting link there RAJ.  Noting the quarter that lost the diagnosis was probably what you&#039;d expect.  Now, will Hannah Poling also lose her diagnosis?  After all, what does a non specific mitochondrial disorder caused encephalopathy have to do with autism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting link there RAJ.  Noting the quarter that lost the diagnosis was probably what you&#8217;d expect.  Now, will Hannah Poling also lose her diagnosis?  After all, what does a non specific mitochondrial disorder caused encephalopathy have to do with autism?</p>
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