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		<title>By: Further Questions about the Case of Hannah Poling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Further Questions about the Case of Hannah Poling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and questions.&#8221; As Dr. Parikh, Hannah&#8217;s case raises more than a few questions about the diagnosis of autism; about what we understand autism to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s In a Classification (vs. a Diagnosis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s In a Classification (vs. a Diagnosis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are now classified as on the autism spectrum may not have been classified as such in previous years. Diagnosis is not a precise science: You do what you have to do to help a child succeed, labels aside. Tags: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are now classified as on the autism spectrum may not have been classified as such in previous years. Diagnosis is not a precise science: You do what you have to do to help a child succeed, labels aside. Tags: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The three parents of Fragile X children that I have spoken to all agreed that they tell everyone their child DOES NOT have ASD. One very friendly, civil parent of a child in Special Olympics went ballistic on the doctor who mis-diagnosed his son with autism&quot;.

Not every peiatrician considers Fragile X to be any part of an autism spectrum disorder. Any social problems they have is shyness and social anxiety, not the core defining feature that Kanner described, an indifference to the existence of others including parents,siblings and primary care givers. 

What creates a potentially devating problem is those researchers who misinterpret mentally retarded Fragile X boys as &#039;autistic&#039; is that they are now using drug therapies that hclaim may be applicable to autistic children without Fragile X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The three parents of Fragile X children that I have spoken to all agreed that they tell everyone their child DOES NOT have ASD. One very friendly, civil parent of a child in Special Olympics went ballistic on the doctor who mis-diagnosed his son with autism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not every peiatrician considers Fragile X to be any part of an autism spectrum disorder. Any social problems they have is shyness and social anxiety, not the core defining feature that Kanner described, an indifference to the existence of others including parents,siblings and primary care givers. </p>
<p>What creates a potentially devating problem is those researchers who misinterpret mentally retarded Fragile X boys as &#8216;autistic&#8217; is that they are now using drug therapies that hclaim may be applicable to autistic children without Fragile X.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tracey,

Regarding those emotional breakdowns once a month----more than know how that feels. Knowing that my son is in a school where he&#039;s happy and his needs attended to and understood---that&#039;s why I no longer have this awful gnawing pain at the bottom of my stomach and why I don&#039;t keep checking my cell phone to see if the school is calling. Even just being able to go to the grocery store and knowing that Charlie won&#039;t try to eat the food or get upset when he can&#039;t get something he wants----those are reasons that stress has lessened for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tracey,</p>
<p>Regarding those emotional breakdowns once a month&#8212;-more than know how that feels. Knowing that my son is in a school where he&#8217;s happy and his needs attended to and understood&#8212;that&#8217;s why I no longer have this awful gnawing pain at the bottom of my stomach and why I don&#8217;t keep checking my cell phone to see if the school is calling. Even just being able to go to the grocery store and knowing that Charlie won&#8217;t try to eat the food or get upset when he can&#8217;t get something he wants&#8212;-those are reasons that stress has lessened for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes when you have money and pay taxes the (amount of a teachers salary)It does not change a darn thing. Schools are not doing enough ever are they?NJ special services Atlantic county is a disgrace. Two doctors that care for my daughter dont think its a very good school !!Now what??Been to a lawyer well its not so good unless we move!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes when you have money and pay taxes the (amount of a teachers salary)It does not change a darn thing. Schools are not doing enough ever are they?NJ special services Atlantic county is a disgrace. Two doctors that care for my daughter dont think its a very good school !!Now what??Been to a lawyer well its not so good unless we move!</p>
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		<title>By: tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Kim.  

I just started a support group where we live and school frustrations and finances are the number one stresses.  I probably have an emotional breakdown about once a month.

Funny, my husband went to the doctor yesterday because he just hasnt&#039; been feeling well.  The doctor said that he seemed fine, so, asked if he was getting enough sleep or under any major stress...hmmmm, you think???

I just wish all these famous voices would put some focus on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Kim.  </p>
<p>I just started a support group where we live and school frustrations and finances are the number one stresses.  I probably have an emotional breakdown about once a month.</p>
<p>Funny, my husband went to the doctor yesterday because he just hasnt&#8217; been feeling well.  The doctor said that he seemed fine, so, asked if he was getting enough sleep or under any major stress&#8230;hmmmm, you think???</p>
<p>I just wish all these famous voices would put some focus on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.L. already quoted Tracey but I had to again:

&lt;i&gt;“I have reached the point where I don’t really care about the “why” but I care about getting them the services they need to have a productive life.”&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s sums up why I&#039;m sitting in this rental condo right now.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.L. already quoted Tracey but I had to again:</p>
<p><i>“I have reached the point where I don’t really care about the “why” but I care about getting them the services they need to have a productive life.”</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s sums up why I&#8217;m sitting in this rental condo right now&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many more shots where given about 1997-98? (about)They added too many and didnt monitor the effects.this is what put the children at risk. Then you add in hep b shot that was defective (put out by merk)what a mess this had 8 times the amount of mercury it should have had.(read this in the paper a few years ago.)Small snippet in the back of the press here.Had to add this :) Look,not everyone has the same type of Autism. Doctors need a new guidline we have to push for this.  Tracy thanks for the tips! The school thing is such a joke! I cant stand when I hear what you all go through. We have no contained class here too small of a school. Very difficult time for us! She needs this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many more shots where given about 1997-98? (about)They added too many and didnt monitor the effects.this is what put the children at risk. Then you add in hep b shot that was defective (put out by merk)what a mess this had 8 times the amount of mercury it should have had.(read this in the paper a few years ago.)Small snippet in the back of the press here.Had to add this <img src='http://www.blisstree.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Look,not everyone has the same type of Autism. Doctors need a new guidline we have to push for this.  Tracy thanks for the tips! The school thing is such a joke! I cant stand when I hear what you all go through. We have no contained class here too small of a school. Very difficult time for us! She needs this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@S.L.---I&#039;m answering your questions slowly, just wanted to get started! You asked:

&quot;Do the anti-vaxers feel then no child was &#039;poisoned&#039; prior to 1990?&quot;

No---for instance, Dan Olmsted has written quite a bit about the children in the 1943 article by Kanner and suggested that they had other types of &quot;poisoning.&quot; Here I referred to his discussion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autismvox.com/epitasis-and-aposiopesis-in-dan-olmsted/&quot;&gt;Still&#039;s and Pink&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; and he&#039;s elsewhere written about how some of those children in that original Kanner study had parents who were chemists or other positions that involved them working with chemical and toxic substances. 

One way to read what Olmsted has written is that he is &quot;reading back&quot; retroactively and re-diagnosing autistic children from the past as having had some sort of poisoning---not necessarily from a vaccine. It&#039;s a similar move to how Kirby has been trying to redefine (&quot;rebrand&quot; as Orac puts it) autism as a mitochondrial disorder and, last year, as some kind of neurological damage caused by toxins.

Glad to see you get that mention in Forbes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@S.L.&#8212;I&#8217;m answering your questions slowly, just wanted to get started! You asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do the anti-vaxers feel then no child was &#8216;poisoned&#8217; prior to 1990?&#8221;</p>
<p>No&#8212;for instance, Dan Olmsted has written quite a bit about the children in the 1943 article by Kanner and suggested that they had other types of &#8220;poisoning.&#8221; Here I referred to his discussion of <a href="http://www.autismvox.com/epitasis-and-aposiopesis-in-dan-olmsted/">Still&#8217;s and Pink&#8217;s</a> and he&#8217;s elsewhere written about how some of those children in that original Kanner study had parents who were chemists or other positions that involved them working with chemical and toxic substances. </p>
<p>One way to read what Olmsted has written is that he is &#8220;reading back&#8221; retroactively and re-diagnosing autistic children from the past as having had some sort of poisoning&#8212;not necessarily from a vaccine. It&#8217;s a similar move to how Kirby has been trying to redefine (&#8221;rebrand&#8221; as Orac puts it) autism as a mitochondrial disorder and, last year, as some kind of neurological damage caused by toxins.</p>
<p>Glad to see you get that mention in Forbes.</p>
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		<title>By: tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dimmer switch is probably a good analogy.  I went to the Florida CARD Conference and a doctor from Yale actually spoke a little about this. They said that they believe these symptoms are around sooner, but less obvious in infants and the magic age of 18 months-2 years for a diagnosis happens, because of the natural development of toddlers. 
 All children actually slow down a little.  From what they learn and grow, they don&#039;t do as much as they do that first year-year and a half, and then as children develop or don&#039;t develop language, certain aspects become more clear.  

With my first born, I just had no clue what to look for and just thought he was a late talker and quirky.  With my youngest, I knew better.

Any boy do I wish people like Jenny McCarthy would be as outraged about the fact that those of us who don&#039;t make millions of dollars can&#039;t get services for our chidlren...she always neglects to discuss the amount of therapy her son has received.  We are just grateful that we have grandparents who can help....our children would be at a huge disadvantage otherwise.  My heart breaks for all the kids who miss out on therapy because of money.

Interesting note, I spoke with my CARD representative about school etc.. and she said that in our state the ASD criteria is changing, to make it easier for kids to get in-school services, but she said some of these chidlren do not have autism.  A lot of kids with Asperger&#039;s were missing out on services, but she said that she is seeing that a lot of these kids don&#039;t truly have any form of ASD.

And Anne...you brought up something that made me think about my boys.  There are certain aspects of their autism that is very similar, how they verbally are developing, their stimming behaviours but I think too that some people forget personality.  Dalton is sweet, gentle and tender hearted, Jake is sweet, rough and stubborn...or as I like to say &quot;determined&quot;.  People want to classify them and stick them  both in the same box, but they are two different boys.  You are right, they want to look at &quot;what they can and can&#039;t do&quot; instead of looking at them a &quot;who&quot; they are.  Whenever I speak to some people in the school system about my expectations they look at me like I have three heads.  My new phrase (I have stolen from someone else) is &quot;they don&#039;t have a learning disability, you have a teaching disability&quot;  The sad thing is that they want to write their future now...they are 2 and 5 years-old...no one can define the adults they will become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dimmer switch is probably a good analogy.  I went to the Florida CARD Conference and a doctor from Yale actually spoke a little about this. They said that they believe these symptoms are around sooner, but less obvious in infants and the magic age of 18 months-2 years for a diagnosis happens, because of the natural development of toddlers.<br />
 All children actually slow down a little.  From what they learn and grow, they don&#8217;t do as much as they do that first year-year and a half, and then as children develop or don&#8217;t develop language, certain aspects become more clear.  </p>
<p>With my first born, I just had no clue what to look for and just thought he was a late talker and quirky.  With my youngest, I knew better.</p>
<p>Any boy do I wish people like Jenny McCarthy would be as outraged about the fact that those of us who don&#8217;t make millions of dollars can&#8217;t get services for our chidlren&#8230;she always neglects to discuss the amount of therapy her son has received.  We are just grateful that we have grandparents who can help&#8230;.our children would be at a huge disadvantage otherwise.  My heart breaks for all the kids who miss out on therapy because of money.</p>
<p>Interesting note, I spoke with my CARD representative about school etc.. and she said that in our state the ASD criteria is changing, to make it easier for kids to get in-school services, but she said some of these chidlren do not have autism.  A lot of kids with Asperger&#8217;s were missing out on services, but she said that she is seeing that a lot of these kids don&#8217;t truly have any form of ASD.</p>
<p>And Anne&#8230;you brought up something that made me think about my boys.  There are certain aspects of their autism that is very similar, how they verbally are developing, their stimming behaviours but I think too that some people forget personality.  Dalton is sweet, gentle and tender hearted, Jake is sweet, rough and stubborn&#8230;or as I like to say &#8220;determined&#8221;.  People want to classify them and stick them  both in the same box, but they are two different boys.  You are right, they want to look at &#8220;what they can and can&#8217;t do&#8221; instead of looking at them a &#8220;who&#8221; they are.  Whenever I speak to some people in the school system about my expectations they look at me like I have three heads.  My new phrase (I have stolen from someone else) is &#8220;they don&#8217;t have a learning disability, you have a teaching disability&#8221;  The sad thing is that they want to write their future now&#8230;they are 2 and 5 years-old&#8230;no one can define the adults they will become.</p>
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