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		<title>By: Susie Devine</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-11703</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like another &#039;kumbiya&#039; moment in the Democrats&#039; history. How utterly &#039;sweet.&#039;

If not Hillary, then McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like another &#8216;kumbiya&#8217; moment in the Democrats&#8217; history. How utterly &#8217;sweet.&#8217;</p>
<p>If not Hillary, then McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: PunditMom</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10743</link>
		<dc:creator>PunditMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Gender equality is important, obviously, but it’s not what electing a president is about.”  I wholeheartedly disagree.  I want a president who will move us forward on these issues.

This is a really interesting post from a perspective I had not yet focused on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Gender equality is important, obviously, but it’s not what electing a president is about.”  I wholeheartedly disagree.  I want a president who will move us forward on these issues.</p>
<p>This is a really interesting post from a perspective I had not yet focused on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee Sioux</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10623</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee Sioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know he hasn&#039;t decided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know he hasn&#8217;t decided.</p>
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		<title>By: that girl</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10617</link>
		<dc:creator>that girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt sure he would name Hillary VP..I mean, wouldn&#039;t that be the most sensible thing?  Instead of splitting the party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt sure he would name Hillary VP..I mean, wouldn&#8217;t that be the most sensible thing?  Instead of splitting the party?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee Sioux</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10090</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee Sioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;should not be&quot; - I guess what &quot;should be&quot; important about a candidate is up to each voter. For these women, Hillary being a woman was exactly what was vitally important.  

They saw a woman being President as the best way to gender equality for themselves. Their experience tells them that men do not have a history of seeking gender equality once they are elected. They talk the talk but don&#039;t come through in the end.

These are women in their 60s and 70s. They&#039;ve heard, &quot;Even though I&#039;m a man, I&#039;ll vote for women&#039;s issues&quot; a few too many times to believe them anymore. 

I guess they believe Obama&#039;s a male politician posing as a Feminist to seduce women into voting for him. 

But, ultimately, they believe, he&#039;ll ignore gender equity for the &quot;really important&quot; issues like War, energy, campaign finance or whatever else pushes their issues to the bottom of the list - never to be dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;should not be&#8221; &#8211; I guess what &#8220;should be&#8221; important about a candidate is up to each voter. For these women, Hillary being a woman was exactly what was vitally important.  </p>
<p>They saw a woman being President as the best way to gender equality for themselves. Their experience tells them that men do not have a history of seeking gender equality once they are elected. They talk the talk but don&#8217;t come through in the end.</p>
<p>These are women in their 60s and 70s. They&#8217;ve heard, &#8220;Even though I&#8217;m a man, I&#8217;ll vote for women&#8217;s issues&#8221; a few too many times to believe them anymore. </p>
<p>I guess they believe Obama&#8217;s a male politician posing as a Feminist to seduce women into voting for him. </p>
<p>But, ultimately, they believe, he&#8217;ll ignore gender equity for the &#8220;really important&#8221; issues like War, energy, campaign finance or whatever else pushes their issues to the bottom of the list &#8211; never to be dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By gender equality I mean a woman having a shot at the presidency, not a politician&#039;s stance on issues important to women.  A candidate&#039;s gender or race should not be what an election is about.  Both Obama and Clinton have good records on issues traditionally important to women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By gender equality I mean a woman having a shot at the presidency, not a politician&#8217;s stance on issues important to women.  A candidate&#8217;s gender or race should not be what an election is about.  Both Obama and Clinton have good records on issues traditionally important to women.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee Sioux</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10088</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee Sioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add that they would not agree with this statement:  &quot;Gender equality is important, obviously, but it’s not what electing a president is about.&quot; 

For them, and for many, that was what it was about.  &quot;We&#039;ll deal with your issues as soon as we&#039;re done with the REALLY IMPORTANT ones,&quot; is a message these older women have heard their whole lives. The trouble is that the &quot;really important&quot; ones get replaced by new &quot;really important&quot; ones, and which never turn out to be their issues. 

This has happened simultaneously with these women become the sole financial providers, while remaining the only child-care takers, in their families with the entire capitalistic, political and social system stacked against them getting ahead. 

They believe their gender equity issues are legitimate economic equity issues. In other words they believe they have the REALLY Important issues. They are no longer willing to see other issues as more important, or more valid, than their own. 

And they don&#039;t believe any color of man is going to ever elevate their issues to &quot;really important&quot;  status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add that they would not agree with this statement:  &#8220;Gender equality is important, obviously, but it’s not what electing a president is about.&#8221; </p>
<p>For them, and for many, that was what it was about.  &#8220;We&#8217;ll deal with your issues as soon as we&#8217;re done with the REALLY IMPORTANT ones,&#8221; is a message these older women have heard their whole lives. The trouble is that the &#8220;really important&#8221; ones get replaced by new &#8220;really important&#8221; ones, and which never turn out to be their issues. </p>
<p>This has happened simultaneously with these women become the sole financial providers, while remaining the only child-care takers, in their families with the entire capitalistic, political and social system stacked against them getting ahead. </p>
<p>They believe their gender equity issues are legitimate economic equity issues. In other words they believe they have the REALLY Important issues. They are no longer willing to see other issues as more important, or more valid, than their own. </p>
<p>And they don&#8217;t believe any color of man is going to ever elevate their issues to &#8220;really important&#8221;  status.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee Sioux</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/black-grandmothers-28/comment-page-1/#comment-10086</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee Sioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I think they believe that now that Hillary is out NO ONE will take action on their issues. I heard a similar message from Hispanic voters. 

I guess if you believe Obama is going to blow women&#039;s issues off and you know McCain doesn&#039;t care about them at all - it&#039;s a wash. 

Some are talking voting for McCain, some are talking writing her in. Some are talking about abstaining from the election. 

They want him to pick Hillary as a running mate. 

I don&#039;t know how many of them there are. I&#039;ve seen their Internet presence. I&#039;ve talked to them at the Convention. I&#039;ve read about them in the NY Times. 

But, they were pretty quiet in the general assemblies and there were far more Obama delegates because he really got people to the Caucus. They were more vocal when not surrounded by Obama supporters.  

So I don&#039;t have a good indication of whether this is something that will have any effect at all on the actual election in Nov. 

Certainly there is room for Barack to make peace with Hillary&#039;s 18 million supporters. 

The only way to win these women back, from what I heard, was to name Hillary as VP. 

I wish I knew if they had the numbers to make it vital for Barack to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I think they believe that now that Hillary is out NO ONE will take action on their issues. I heard a similar message from Hispanic voters. </p>
<p>I guess if you believe Obama is going to blow women&#8217;s issues off and you know McCain doesn&#8217;t care about them at all &#8211; it&#8217;s a wash. </p>
<p>Some are talking voting for McCain, some are talking writing her in. Some are talking about abstaining from the election. </p>
<p>They want him to pick Hillary as a running mate. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many of them there are. I&#8217;ve seen their Internet presence. I&#8217;ve talked to them at the Convention. I&#8217;ve read about them in the NY Times. </p>
<p>But, they were pretty quiet in the general assemblies and there were far more Obama delegates because he really got people to the Caucus. They were more vocal when not surrounded by Obama supporters.  </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t have a good indication of whether this is something that will have any effect at all on the actual election in Nov. </p>
<p>Certainly there is room for Barack to make peace with Hillary&#8217;s 18 million supporters. </p>
<p>The only way to win these women back, from what I heard, was to name Hillary as VP. </p>
<p>I wish I knew if they had the numbers to make it vital for Barack to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And McCain is going to take action on their issues?  I guess I could understand more if they were just going to abstain from voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And McCain is going to take action on their issues?  I guess I could understand more if they were just going to abstain from voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee Sioux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracee Sioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I believe their position is that, in their personal experience you can&#039;t trust a black man. That male apathy is worse for women than actual misogyny. 

Their position is that nodding your head and saying, &quot;I think your issue is important&quot; is not the same as taking action on your issues. It&#039;s simply placating you so you&#039;ll shut up and support them. They believe that&#039;s what Barack Obama is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I believe their position is that, in their personal experience you can&#8217;t trust a black man. That male apathy is worse for women than actual misogyny. </p>
<p>Their position is that nodding your head and saying, &#8220;I think your issue is important&#8221; is not the same as taking action on your issues. It&#8217;s simply placating you so you&#8217;ll shut up and support them. They believe that&#8217;s what Barack Obama is doing.</p>
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