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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the Old Dad Theory, Once Again</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/blame-it-on-dad-especially-if-he-is-older/comment-page-1/#comment-559345</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s the Old Dad Theory, Once Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do these &#8220;old dad&#8221; theories too quickly put the blame&#8212;unrightly&#8212;-on fathers? Tags: age, asd, asperger, autism, autism blog, Cause, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do these &#8220;old dad&#8221; theories too quickly put the blame&#8212;unrightly&#8212;-on fathers? Tags: age, asd, asperger, autism, autism blog, Cause, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Schwarz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Schwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 02:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for causation, correlation, and all them twenty-five-cent c-words:

*Everyone* knows that global warming is due to the decline in the number of pirates in the world.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Arrrrrrrr!

-- Phil, 
AS father of an autistic son and a daughter in the broader phenotype,
Son of a professor emeritus of English who was hyperlexic as a child,
Grandson of a merchant who had arithmetic savant skills, and
Married to a charming non-autistic woman whose father was profoundly non-autistic but who had autistic cousins in his mother&#039;s family

You pass the &quot;hidden horde&quot;, or their relatives, on the street every day.

Let&#039;s agree that there are 1 in 150, *however we got to this point*, and get busy arranging the support and accommodations they will need, and removing the obstacles in their way, as they attempt to live maximally enabled lives in this world of ours.

We aren&#039;t going to drown, and we aren&#039;t going to go bankrupt doing so.  

Get used to the world becoming ever so slightly more autistic on average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for causation, correlation, and all them twenty-five-cent c-words:</p>
<p>*Everyone* knows that global warming is due to the decline in the number of pirates in the world.  See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster</a></p>
<p>Arrrrrrrr!</p>
<p>&#8211; Phil,<br />
AS father of an autistic son and a daughter in the broader phenotype,<br />
Son of a professor emeritus of English who was hyperlexic as a child,<br />
Grandson of a merchant who had arithmetic savant skills, and<br />
Married to a charming non-autistic woman whose father was profoundly non-autistic but who had autistic cousins in his mother&#8217;s family</p>
<p>You pass the &#8220;hidden horde&#8221;, or their relatives, on the street every day.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s agree that there are 1 in 150, *however we got to this point*, and get busy arranging the support and accommodations they will need, and removing the obstacles in their way, as they attempt to live maximally enabled lives in this world of ours.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t going to drown, and we aren&#8217;t going to go bankrupt doing so.  </p>
<p>Get used to the world becoming ever so slightly more autistic on average.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pregnancies went well.

Complications at childbirth for all of mine, though.  C. least of all.  S. had to undergo &quot;vacuum extraction&quot; and then had jaundice.  C. and T. were twins, with all that implies (although &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zurg.net/julia/ljstuff/pregbelly1.jpg&quot;&gt;I carried them long enough to avoid the NICU&lt;/a&gt;).

2 grandfathers probably both with AS has something to do with it, I think!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pregnancies went well.</p>
<p>Complications at childbirth for all of mine, though.  C. least of all.  S. had to undergo &#8220;vacuum extraction&#8221; and then had jaundice.  C. and T. were twins, with all that implies (although <a href="http://www.zurg.net/julia/ljstuff/pregbelly1.jpg">I carried them long enough to avoid the NICU</a>).</p>
<p>2 grandfathers probably both with AS has something to do with it, I think!  <img src='http://www.blisstree.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fed Charlie very little jarred babyfood as most of it ended up on the floor........ Charlie was definitely different from birth, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fed Charlie very little jarred babyfood as most of it ended up on the floor&#8230;&#8230;.. Charlie was definitely different from birth, too.</p>
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		<title>By: mumkeepingsane</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumkeepingsane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband was 25 when we had Patrick.  Actually all the autistic children I know have fathers under the age of 30.

I think it&#039;s jarred babyfood.  All those pesticides in concentrated amounts fed to the child every day for months. (IMO, this is no further out there than the vaccine theory or the tv theory).

Seriously though, of course it somehow leads back to the parents.  Genetics, behaviour, exposures to certain substances (I&#039;m thinking the parents exposure, not the kids)....it really could be anything or any combination of things couldn&#039;t it?  I think it can only be called blame when the intention of the parents is in question.

I honestly don&#039;t think all autism is caused by the same thing.  There seem to be so many different &quot;kinds&quot; of autism out there.  It looks like a bunch of different autisms...some genetic, some caused by other things, and if they all have the same basic symptoms then they&#039;re lumped into the Autism umbrella.

My son was different from birth.  There was no regression.  His progress just seemed to slow over time.  I dunno, the cause just doesn&#039;t seem all that important to me anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband was 25 when we had Patrick.  Actually all the autistic children I know have fathers under the age of 30.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s jarred babyfood.  All those pesticides in concentrated amounts fed to the child every day for months. (IMO, this is no further out there than the vaccine theory or the tv theory).</p>
<p>Seriously though, of course it somehow leads back to the parents.  Genetics, behaviour, exposures to certain substances (I&#8217;m thinking the parents exposure, not the kids)&#8230;.it really could be anything or any combination of things couldn&#8217;t it?  I think it can only be called blame when the intention of the parents is in question.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think all autism is caused by the same thing.  There seem to be so many different &#8220;kinds&#8221; of autism out there.  It looks like a bunch of different autisms&#8230;some genetic, some caused by other things, and if they all have the same basic symptoms then they&#8217;re lumped into the Autism umbrella.</p>
<p>My son was different from birth.  There was no regression.  His progress just seemed to slow over time.  I dunno, the cause just doesn&#8217;t seem all that important to me anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jez Rourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jez Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have always been older fathers older mothers, older sisters older brothers..... I mean it&#039;s not like there are picture perfect families where everything happens at the right age, right time. Plan as we may for our futures, our plans don&#039;t necessarily fall into place. I mean don&#039;t you all remember being in grade school and some kids having parents who seemed ancient? It seems silly that suddenly age would be implicated. For the most part I think while our reproductive organs work, they do so because we can have children. 

What always strikes me is sometimes I look at my daughter and I look at my husband and just have to say out loud: how could the two of us, the most ordinary people in the world have created such a beautiful extraordinary child? That truly mystifies me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have always been older fathers older mothers, older sisters older brothers&#8230;.. I mean it&#8217;s not like there are picture perfect families where everything happens at the right age, right time. Plan as we may for our futures, our plans don&#8217;t necessarily fall into place. I mean don&#8217;t you all remember being in grade school and some kids having parents who seemed ancient? It seems silly that suddenly age would be implicated. For the most part I think while our reproductive organs work, they do so because we can have children. </p>
<p>What always strikes me is sometimes I look at my daughter and I look at my husband and just have to say out loud: how could the two of us, the most ordinary people in the world have created such a beautiful extraordinary child? That truly mystifies me.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Etlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Etlinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this thorough analysis.  I agree that too much time and ink is spent on &quot;causation&quot;--though I would love to see some credible research that provides more insight than we have now so that parents to be can stop obsessing and at least have a decent sense of what lies ahead.  This whole issue is so fraught with fear and blame and urban legend that it in itself seems pathological...so where do we go?  Love our kids, take care of them, enjoy them, live and learn.  Anything else seems like madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this thorough analysis.  I agree that too much time and ink is spent on &#8220;causation&#8221;&#8211;though I would love to see some credible research that provides more insight than we have now so that parents to be can stop obsessing and at least have a decent sense of what lies ahead.  This whole issue is so fraught with fear and blame and urban legend that it in itself seems pathological&#8230;so where do we go?  Love our kids, take care of them, enjoy them, live and learn.  Anything else seems like madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also wanted to thank you, Ms Clark, for highlighting how loaded &quot;blame&quot; is. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The parents are always to blame, are always responsible for, in some sense for their child’s autism, just not in the sense of Bettleheim and the mom having a deep seated wish to kill her own child. It’s riduculous to hold the parents “blameless” or entirely unconnected to their child’s autism. jypsy says if she could take “credit” for Alex’s autism she would, gladly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I do think too much time and digital ink is spilled on &quot;causation&quot;----and is never enough time as it is to enjoy being with Charlie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also wanted to thank you, Ms Clark, for highlighting how loaded &#8220;blame&#8221; is. </p>
<blockquote><p>The parents are always to blame, are always responsible for, in some sense for their child’s autism, just not in the sense of Bettleheim and the mom having a deep seated wish to kill her own child. It’s riduculous to hold the parents “blameless” or entirely unconnected to their child’s autism. jypsy says if she could take “credit” for Alex’s autism she would, gladly.</p></blockquote>
<p>And I do think too much time and digital ink is spilled on &#8220;causation&#8221;&#8212;-and is never enough time as it is to enjoy being with Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Waldman: watching too much TV is not a cause, it is - I&#039;d dare say - a SYMPTOM of autism. The kid is watching too many videos because he doesn&#039;t have many playskills, and he loves the visual stimulation. Plus, TV is easy for him because it doesn&#039;t require human interaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Waldman: watching too much TV is not a cause, it is &#8211; I&#8217;d dare say &#8211; a SYMPTOM of autism. The kid is watching too many videos because he doesn&#8217;t have many playskills, and he loves the visual stimulation. Plus, TV is easy for him because it doesn&#8217;t require human interaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to note: Jim and I are both professors, of the humanities---of American history and of classical literature and languages. 

I had Charlie when I was 28 years old when I had Charlie. No alcohol, drugs, or drugs to prevent a premature pregnancy (Charlie was full-term). 

But I would say, I think that there was autism in the family, before Charlie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to note: Jim and I are both professors, of the humanities&#8212;of American history and of classical literature and languages. </p>
<p>I had Charlie when I was 28 years old when I had Charlie. No alcohol, drugs, or drugs to prevent a premature pregnancy (Charlie was full-term). </p>
<p>But I would say, I think that there was autism in the family, before Charlie.</p>
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