I wonder if someone could tell me when the last time someone in the USA caught wild polio or diptheria?? Just a date would be fine..

I appreciate your preface, and it is a valid question.

Maybe a better slogan (for me), would be ‘Study the Schedule!’

As for fevers, I was merely using this as the most obvious outward manifestation of the difference between what happens when our bodies respond to the bombardment of antigens we are all exposed to versus what comes from a vial. Of course, with the recent Polling case the onset of fever has ominous overtones; but in my case I was simply using it as a foil for what happens to us on most days when we are exposed to antigens; nothing much. Thus, the analogy is invalid.

One of the answers to the question you raise, I believe, is critical towards why there is so much concern over even questioning of the schedule; because generally, being exposed to these bacteria and viruses is a bad thing. It can lead to serious illness, lifelong impairment, or death.

It is entirely possible that if there are children that are being harmed in ways not understood by vaccination, that in previous generations, these children were the ones most likely to suffer severe, or life ending consequences of natural infection.

But again, there are important differences between what we would expect to see in the real world, and what is being seen in a doctors office; differences that have only been studied additively, instead of cumulatively; and never in a long term fashion. By way of example, on a two month well visit, according to the schedule, we invoke an immune response to diptheria, tetanus, hepatitis, pertusis, Hib, polio, pneumonia, and rotavirus. Is there a child on the planet that has been exposed to all of these things at once, in the real world, two months out of the womb?

Something else that I discovered interesting based on something I read here popped into my head based on your question, namely, that one (unanticpated) result of global, artificial protection is an increase in the likelyhood of hospitilization in the event of real world exposure.

In the recent measles ‘outbreaks’, nearly 20% of the people vaccinated were hospitalized. This struck me as very, very strange; I’d always been told that measles had relatively rare complication rates, along the lines of 1 in 500 to 1 in 2000, nothing, nothing like 1 in 4! It turns out, getting measles as a child is likely to have these rare complication rates; but getting measles as an adult, or an infant, is much more problematic. It further turns out, that as a result of mass vaccination, infants and adults are more likely to get measles when a natural exposure occurs. Very small infants used to be protected by their mothers antibodies, the protection granted by actually getting the disease was much more robust than that from a vaccine. Likewise, once exposed to real measles as a child, surviving adults were granted actual immunity for life; not all adults carry vaccine granted immunity for the rest of their life, and as a result, are very prone to serious complications when exposed later.

I do not believe that these things were anticipated when measles vaccine was developed (maybe?); the goal of eliminating measles was and is laudable and by all objective measures, the vaccine is wildly effective at that task.

I am not saying that the measles vaccine was bad, just that we were not smart enough to understand all of the long term ramifications of its implementation. Likewise, I have very, very difficult time believing we understand everything about todays very advanced schedule; other than the intended effects of disease reduction. Do you believe it is well understood?

With literally dozens of new vaccines being developed, if we do not study the schedule now, will we ever?

Whew!

- pD

I can not answer your questions.

My original query was directed at finding data on the results, in terms of reduced occurrence, of the vaccination schedule. People are suggesting that the schedule be changed. I don’t know what to think about changing without knowing what the current schedule is and what the reductions in occurrence have been.