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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 3 year old (my fifth out of six children] was recently diagnosed with autism. Because I see progress with my own version of floortime, I cannot help but wonder if my son did suffer some lack of interaction/warm engagement as a baby. On the other hand, he definately received the most attention and adoration from all of my children who are all typical loving happily developing children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 3 year old (my fifth out of six children] was recently diagnosed with autism. Because I see progress with my own version of floortime, I cannot help but wonder if my son did suffer some lack of interaction/warm engagement as a baby. On the other hand, he definately received the most attention and adoration from all of my children who are all typical loving happily developing children.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone. 
I am an occupational therapist who has worked with children on the autism spectrum for two decades.  I must say that the families I currently work with and who I have worked with in the past have been warm and nurturing.  I have never thought there was any connection with the diagnosis of autism and the family dynamic. Clearly there are extreme situations of deprivation and abuse that can result in autistic like behaviors however these are extreme examples.
Kudo&#039;s and blessings to these amazing families who give so much to these special children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone.<br />
I am an occupational therapist who has worked with children on the autism spectrum for two decades.  I must say that the families I currently work with and who I have worked with in the past have been warm and nurturing.  I have never thought there was any connection with the diagnosis of autism and the family dynamic. Clearly there are extreme situations of deprivation and abuse that can result in autistic like behaviors however these are extreme examples.<br />
Kudo&#8217;s and blessings to these amazing families who give so much to these special children.</p>
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		<title>By: L.C. Connel</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.C. Connel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully, the attacks on Dr. Greenspan&#039;s view&#039;s of parenting children on the autism spectrum do not mean that Floor Time is a useless therapy. Countless thousands of children with ASDs receive  Floor Time therapy every day through Regional Centers, OTs or PTs in clinics, hospitals, public and non-public schools as a Best Practice basis of intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, the attacks on Dr. Greenspan&#8217;s view&#8217;s of parenting children on the autism spectrum do not mean that Floor Time is a useless therapy. Countless thousands of children with ASDs receive  Floor Time therapy every day through Regional Centers, OTs or PTs in clinics, hospitals, public and non-public schools as a Best Practice basis of intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that this string of posts has been resurrected because I wasn&#039;t reading Autism Vox back in 2006 (didn&#039;t get my daughter&#039;s diagnosis until almost the end of that year).  It&#039;s a new angle on Greenspan for me, and an important one since we&#039;re soon going to be starting a Greenspan-influenced, relationship-based intensive program with our daughter in the next few months.

I&#039;m thinking right now of some of the techniques I&#039;ve already learned for communication interactions, via the Hanen program and some work with Jim McDonald&#039;s Communicating Partners.  For me, learning about more effective  patterns of interaction has definitely involved some level of critique of some of the patterns that parents often naturally fall into -- for example, breaking ourselves of the habit of barraging our daughter with questions, or demanding &quot;Say &#039;banana,&#039; sweetie.  Say &#039;banana.&#039; C&#039;mon, can you say &#039;banana&#039;?&quot; or even just throwing too many words at her.  My older daughter responded fine to an outpouring of words and requests; my younger daughter does not.

Seems to me that it ought to be possible to tell parents that they can learn to improve their interactions with their child, and that some communication and affect is more helpful than others, without arriving at the conclusion that the parents have somehow caused autism by using the wrong interactions or emphases.  I didn&#039;t pick up the blame-the-parents vibe at all from my first reading of Engaging Autism (admittedly over a year ago now), and I still don&#039;t think I quite hear it in the Family Approach quotes you cite from Ch. 13.  What I hear is &quot;you can do this better,&quot; rather than &quot;it&#039;s your fault for not doing it right in the first place.&quot;

I&#039;ll be on the lookout for those biases now, but I do think that relationship-based intensive therapy is going to be an excellent match for our kiddo, and that our whole family has a lot to learn about how to best help her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that this string of posts has been resurrected because I wasn&#8217;t reading Autism Vox back in 2006 (didn&#8217;t get my daughter&#8217;s diagnosis until almost the end of that year).  It&#8217;s a new angle on Greenspan for me, and an important one since we&#8217;re soon going to be starting a Greenspan-influenced, relationship-based intensive program with our daughter in the next few months.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking right now of some of the techniques I&#8217;ve already learned for communication interactions, via the Hanen program and some work with Jim McDonald&#8217;s Communicating Partners.  For me, learning about more effective  patterns of interaction has definitely involved some level of critique of some of the patterns that parents often naturally fall into &#8212; for example, breaking ourselves of the habit of barraging our daughter with questions, or demanding &#8220;Say &#8216;banana,&#8217; sweetie.  Say &#8216;banana.&#8217; C&#8217;mon, can you say &#8216;banana&#8217;?&#8221; or even just throwing too many words at her.  My older daughter responded fine to an outpouring of words and requests; my younger daughter does not.</p>
<p>Seems to me that it ought to be possible to tell parents that they can learn to improve their interactions with their child, and that some communication and affect is more helpful than others, without arriving at the conclusion that the parents have somehow caused autism by using the wrong interactions or emphases.  I didn&#8217;t pick up the blame-the-parents vibe at all from my first reading of Engaging Autism (admittedly over a year ago now), and I still don&#8217;t think I quite hear it in the Family Approach quotes you cite from Ch. 13.  What I hear is &#8220;you can do this better,&#8221; rather than &#8220;it&#8217;s your fault for not doing it right in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be on the lookout for those biases now, but I do think that relationship-based intensive therapy is going to be an excellent match for our kiddo, and that our whole family has a lot to learn about how to best help her.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my personal experience, I believe Dr. Greenspan may be right about the interconnectedness of the biologically based deficit and environmental programming.  When my 15 month old daughter regressed quite suddenly and became extremely disengaged, we were able to reengage her again quite rapidly using Floortime. When I looked back over the weeks of her regression, I realized that I had been actually been engaging her very little. This was because she seemed so happy in her repetitive, perseverative play (which should have tipped me off anyway), that she didn&#039;t need much attention.  Now I by no means suggest that I &quot;caused&quot; her autism. But if she was biologically wired (or wiring) to prefer solitary activity and avoid social interaction, then I did nothing to outcompete that natural tendency. And so I wonder now if I had been more alert to her differences during that period and engaged her more consistently/intensively, I might have been able to prevent the autistic features emerging. I don&#039;t know, but it seems at a stage when the brain is so plastic, environmental reinforcement for development of social and communication abilities must have a big role in determining the outcome, whatever the underlying genetic/biological framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my personal experience, I believe Dr. Greenspan may be right about the interconnectedness of the biologically based deficit and environmental programming.  When my 15 month old daughter regressed quite suddenly and became extremely disengaged, we were able to reengage her again quite rapidly using Floortime. When I looked back over the weeks of her regression, I realized that I had been actually been engaging her very little. This was because she seemed so happy in her repetitive, perseverative play (which should have tipped me off anyway), that she didn&#8217;t need much attention.  Now I by no means suggest that I &#8220;caused&#8221; her autism. But if she was biologically wired (or wiring) to prefer solitary activity and avoid social interaction, then I did nothing to outcompete that natural tendency. And so I wonder now if I had been more alert to her differences during that period and engaged her more consistently/intensively, I might have been able to prevent the autistic features emerging. I don&#8217;t know, but it seems at a stage when the brain is so plastic, environmental reinforcement for development of social and communication abilities must have a big role in determining the outcome, whatever the underlying genetic/biological framework.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your comments, Mr. Samuels; I much appreciate your critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your comments, Mr. Samuels; I much appreciate your critique.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Samuels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Samuels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite late tonight and I will have much more to say later, but one of the most interesting
things here is that the TREMENDOUS defensiveness
of the mere suggestion (put aside the tomes of accurate, clinical research and outcomes over the last many decades), that the parents have any responsibility in actually co-structuring the child&#039;s emotional signalling/emotional development which in fact structures a great deal of the brain&#039;s circuitry (neurological wiring). The lack of connectivity, for example, between the amygadla and para amygadla and the prefrontal and frontal cortex (emotional centers and the executive motor-planning/motor-sequencing functions has been shown to be strongly mediated (re-connected) by increased co-affect cuing. However, it is and will continue to be much safer for others to blame the infamous gene(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite late tonight and I will have much more to say later, but one of the most interesting<br />
things here is that the TREMENDOUS defensiveness<br />
of the mere suggestion (put aside the tomes of accurate, clinical research and outcomes over the last many decades), that the parents have any responsibility in actually co-structuring the child&#8217;s emotional signalling/emotional development which in fact structures a great deal of the brain&#8217;s circuitry (neurological wiring). The lack of connectivity, for example, between the amygadla and para amygadla and the prefrontal and frontal cortex (emotional centers and the executive motor-planning/motor-sequencing functions has been shown to be strongly mediated (re-connected) by increased co-affect cuing. However, it is and will continue to be much safer for others to blame the infamous gene(s).</p>
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		<title>By: Autism Vox &#187; Autism Vox Top 10 of 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autism Vox &#187; Autism Vox Top 10 of 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Engaging Floortime (3): Floortime for Parents (Review of Engaging Autism by Stanley Greenspan) (July 19, 2006) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Engaging Floortime (3): Floortime for Parents (Review of Engaging Autism by Stanley Greenspan) (July 19, 2006) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanne, I really appreciate your commenting here. If I may ask, in what kind of capacity have you been working with autistic children (and I&#039;m quite in agreement with you that they&#039;re very great kids, indeed)? Greenspan&#039;s references to the parents&#039; &quot;contribution&quot;  to putting a child &quot;at risk&quot; for autism are not specifically highlighted, but introduced in the course of his descriptions of what Floortime is and why it is (he writes) effective. I was rather surprised to encounter such references while reading &lt;i&gt;Engaging Autism&lt;/i&gt;. 

I don&#039;t think that Greenspan is the only &quot;autism professional&quot; whose  work and treatment plan contains at least vestigial references to a Bettelheimian, &quot;refrigerator mother&quot; theory of autism. I have never met a parent (in my experience) who has not felt that Bettelheim&#039;s ideas about parents causing autism were &quot;outmoded&quot; and &quot;discredited&quot;; it is from reading books like Greenspan&#039;s and those of others that I have begun to wonder if these ideas are still out there, though not in the most obvious ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanne, I really appreciate your commenting here. If I may ask, in what kind of capacity have you been working with autistic children (and I&#8217;m quite in agreement with you that they&#8217;re very great kids, indeed)? Greenspan&#8217;s references to the parents&#8217; &#8220;contribution&#8221;  to putting a child &#8220;at risk&#8221; for autism are not specifically highlighted, but introduced in the course of his descriptions of what Floortime is and why it is (he writes) effective. I was rather surprised to encounter such references while reading <i>Engaging Autism</i>. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Greenspan is the only &#8220;autism professional&#8221; whose  work and treatment plan contains at least vestigial references to a Bettelheimian, &#8220;refrigerator mother&#8221; theory of autism. I have never met a parent (in my experience) who has not felt that Bettelheim&#8217;s ideas about parents causing autism were &#8220;outmoded&#8221; and &#8220;discredited&#8221;; it is from reading books like Greenspan&#8217;s and those of others that I have begun to wonder if these ideas are still out there, though not in the most obvious ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Jannalou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jannalou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I think you totally and completely missed the point of what Kristina is saying here.  In fact, your comment is rather condescending and rude (not to mention arrogant).

Greenspan&#039;s theories are rather &quot;messed&quot;, for lack of a better term.  His idea is that disorders are primarily caused by biological differences (which is, in my opinion, accurate) but are exacerbated by inadequate parenting styles.  To be perfectly honest, that second bit is a load of crap.

I don&#039;t deny that one&#039;s parents have a lot to do with how one develops.  My family and I were talking about this very thing at Christmas, and my brothers and I were actually asked to explain what we thought our parents did well and didn&#039;t do so well when we were little.

My mother thinks that there wasn&#039;t enough structure provided to us when we were small.  My father thinks it was fine (&quot;There was structure.  They knew the rules, and we had set meal times.&quot;).  My brothers and I flourished in this &quot;unstructured environment&quot;.  Perhaps more structure would have been good for us, since as it turns out I have ADHD and am having to learn to structure myself now that I am an adult, but the creative flow that lack of structure engendered cannot be given a proper value.

Your final three sentences disturb me profoundly.
&lt;blockquote&gt;We “neurotypicals” have much to learn from them, and my own spiritual development has been deeply informed by my work with this special population. Unfortunately, most (but not all) of the parents with whom I have worked simply have not shared my view, and most importantly, have been unwilling to reflect on themselves in any meaningful way. This closed and angry parental attitude, Dr. Chew, is what is truly destructive to children with autism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I must ask, Joanne, if you are a believer in &quot;Indigos&quot; and &quot;Crystals&quot;?

Because if you are, I know that I need not waste any more of my time trying to speak sense into your perceptions of this work and Greenspan&#039;s faulty theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I think you totally and completely missed the point of what Kristina is saying here.  In fact, your comment is rather condescending and rude (not to mention arrogant).</p>
<p>Greenspan&#8217;s theories are rather &#8220;messed&#8221;, for lack of a better term.  His idea is that disorders are primarily caused by biological differences (which is, in my opinion, accurate) but are exacerbated by inadequate parenting styles.  To be perfectly honest, that second bit is a load of crap.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that one&#8217;s parents have a lot to do with how one develops.  My family and I were talking about this very thing at Christmas, and my brothers and I were actually asked to explain what we thought our parents did well and didn&#8217;t do so well when we were little.</p>
<p>My mother thinks that there wasn&#8217;t enough structure provided to us when we were small.  My father thinks it was fine (&#8221;There was structure.  They knew the rules, and we had set meal times.&#8221;).  My brothers and I flourished in this &#8220;unstructured environment&#8221;.  Perhaps more structure would have been good for us, since as it turns out I have ADHD and am having to learn to structure myself now that I am an adult, but the creative flow that lack of structure engendered cannot be given a proper value.</p>
<p>Your final three sentences disturb me profoundly.</p>
<blockquote><p>We “neurotypicals” have much to learn from them, and my own spiritual development has been deeply informed by my work with this special population. Unfortunately, most (but not all) of the parents with whom I have worked simply have not shared my view, and most importantly, have been unwilling to reflect on themselves in any meaningful way. This closed and angry parental attitude, Dr. Chew, is what is truly destructive to children with autism.</p></blockquote>
<p>I must ask, Joanne, if you are a believer in &#8220;Indigos&#8221; and &#8220;Crystals&#8221;?</p>
<p>Because if you are, I know that I need not waste any more of my time trying to speak sense into your perceptions of this work and Greenspan&#8217;s faulty theories.</p>
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