Comments on: Excluded Again: A 14-year-old and Boy Scout Troop 223 http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mike http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-/#comment-565760 Mike Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:24:49 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565760 There is no requirement for a Scout to go long term camping to attain the rank of Eagle Scout. Please, before you make any decisions on this poorly written blog, please read the facts. http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0609/a-boys.html http://usscouts.org/netresources/autism.htm Or visit the Boy Scouts of America's website, scouting.org. Or call your local Scouting Council office. Because this article is pure bunk. The Boy Scouts of America is a leading organization in terms of helping boys with disabilities. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something. There is no requirement for a Scout to go long term camping to attain the rank of Eagle Scout.

Please, before you make any decisions on this poorly written blog, please read the facts.

http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0609/a-boys.html

http://usscouts.org/netresources/autism.htm

Or visit the Boy Scouts of America’s website, scouting.org.

Or call your local Scouting Council office.

Because this article is pure bunk.

The Boy Scouts of America is a leading organization in terms of helping boys with disabilities.

Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.

]]> By: Mike http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565759 Mike Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:10:31 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565759 That you would not allow your son to join the Scouting program says more about you as a parent than it does about the Scouting program. The Scouting program is working very hard to make the program accesible to boys with disabilities. I invite you to visit http://www.yccbsa.org/program/BoysWithAutismCanThriveinScouting.pdf This is not about politics, it's about people. Autism is not an easy affliction to deal with. It's much easier to help a boy in a wheelchair. I have seen scout leaders do things to help boys in wheelchairs that would inspire even the staunchest ACLU thug. I also ask that you visit imtyler.org. Do this before you pass judgment on an entire organization. The story you are reading above is not the whole story. But to many, the whole story does not matter. These people are doing more harm to our nation than any disease ever could. That you would not allow your son to join the Scouting program says more about you as a parent than it does about the Scouting program.

The Scouting program is working very hard to make the program accesible to boys with disabilities.

I invite you to visit http://www.yccbsa.org/program/BoysWithAutismCanThriveinScouting.pdf

This is not about politics, it’s about people. Autism is not an easy affliction to deal with. It’s much easier to help a boy in a wheelchair.

I have seen scout leaders do things to help boys in wheelchairs that would inspire even the staunchest ACLU thug.

I also ask that you visit imtyler.org.

Do this before you pass judgment on an entire organization.

The story you are reading above is not the whole story.

But to many, the whole story does not matter.

These people are doing more harm to our nation than any disease ever could.

]]> By: Eagle Scout 2009 http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565688 Eagle Scout 2009 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:52:35 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565688 I believe I can help shed some light on this situation. I recently attained the rank of Eagle Scout and know that the troop was wrong in their additional requirements. In addition, the parents were wrong as well because they proposed an option that would have left the troop legaly responsible not only for Casey, but for his teenage brother as well. I also have a unique perspective on the situation because I have been involved in three different troops; all of which had someone who was on the spectrum. And what I can tell you is that each troop handles these cases differently based on the adult leadership they have available. If a troop who did not have the properly trained volunteers let him go on the campout, or modified the campout by changing the activities or location then it would have been taking from the experience of the other kids. By the way, to everyone who has said they will not contribute or allow participation based on discrimination, I can tell you that it is not the fault of the kids; so why hinder their efforts at becoming a better person? If you truly cared enough to respond to this feed then you could have easily joined a troop committee and allowed gays and disabled kids in the troop (I was in one such troop). And instead of boycotting the Boy Scouts you should have stayed in and become a high ranking person in nationals where you can effect policy change, not becoming just another statistic in their books. I believe I can help shed some light on this situation. I recently attained the rank of Eagle Scout and know that the troop was wrong in their additional requirements. In addition, the parents were wrong as well because they proposed an option that would have left the troop legaly responsible not only for Casey, but for his teenage brother as well. I also have a unique perspective on the situation because I have been involved in three different troops; all of which had someone who was on the spectrum. And what I can tell you is that each troop handles these cases differently based on the adult leadership they have available. If a troop who did not have the properly trained volunteers let him go on the campout, or modified the campout by changing the activities or location then it would have been taking from the experience of the other kids.

By the way, to everyone who has said they will not contribute or allow participation based on discrimination, I can tell you that it is not the fault of the kids; so why hinder their efforts at becoming a better person? If you truly cared enough to respond to this feed then you could have easily joined a troop committee and allowed gays and disabled kids in the troop (I was in one such troop). And instead of boycotting the Boy Scouts you should have stayed in and become a high ranking person in nationals where you can effect policy change, not becoming just another statistic in their books.

]]> By: Howard Menzer http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565623 Howard Menzer Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:42:39 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565623 Scouting For All was created for just this reason. We are mostly Eagle scouts who love scouting but hate discrimination. There is no reason that a boy needs to start over for missing a camping trip. The troop is out of line there. The parents, if they had known that should not and probably would not have responded as they did. The major problem here is communication. The scoutmaster should have stated that he could not take the responsibility for a week. On another note BSA does discriminate on the basis of religion and sexuality. Check us out at www,scoutingforall.org. We are an advocacy organization doing community outreach to press the BSA to do the right thing for all boys. Scouting For All was created for just this reason. We are mostly Eagle scouts who love scouting but hate discrimination. There is no reason that a boy needs to start over for missing a camping trip. The troop is out of line there. The parents, if they had known that should not and probably would not have responded as they did. The major problem here is communication. The scoutmaster should have stated that he could not take the responsibility for a week. On another note BSA does discriminate on the basis of religion and sexuality. Check us out at www,scoutingforall.org. We are an advocacy organization doing community outreach to press the BSA to do the right thing for all boys.

]]> By: Debra http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565644 Debra Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:37:45 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565644 As the mother of an autistic-spectrum child I can't understand why these parents would want to send their child on a trip he does not have the social skills to handle. Try working with the troop or offering to provide a shadow. What would you do if he wandered off or hurt himself or somebody else, sue the troop? As the mother of an autistic-spectrum child I can’t understand why these parents would want to send their child on a trip he does not have the social skills to handle. Try working with the troop or offering to provide a shadow. What would you do if he wandered off or hurt himself or somebody else, sue the troop?

]]> By: robbie http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565598 robbie Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:04:47 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565598 Troop 223 has a right to exclude him. In dangerous forest settings he would attack other boys. He was a DANGER to other scouts. Troop 223 has a right to exclude him. In dangerous forest settings he would attack other boys. He was a DANGER to other scouts.

]]> By: chris http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-/#comment-565214 chris Sun, 24 May 2009 04:23:40 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565214 Do they have an anger management badge? Or at least pablo should be required to relinquish his reading badge, as the article clearly states that the father or brother agreed to go on the trip with him. Maybe his behavior is a result of bullying from fellow scouts. Do they have an anger management badge? Or at least pablo should be required to relinquish his reading badge, as the article clearly states that the father or brother agreed to go on the trip with him.

Maybe his behavior is a result of bullying from fellow scouts.

]]> By: Pablo http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-/#comment-565434 Pablo Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:53:36 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565434 Reading the story on the palisadespost website both the parents and the troop are wrong. BSA rules state that troops can't add to the requirements for advancement. Making this trip a requirement to advance is against BSA policy. PERIOD. The parents are being ridiculous for expecting other VOLUNTEER parents to take on their son's problems for a week. Instead of filing lawsuits the parents should have complained to BSA National about the additional requirements. If that didn't work they could have looked for another troop in the area or registered their son as a lone scout. Better yet, they could have started a brand new scout troop specifically catering to boys with difficulties. But hey, whining and filing suit is a lot easier for a lawyer parent, isn't it? Reading the story on the palisadespost website both the parents and the troop are wrong.

BSA rules state that troops can’t add to the requirements for advancement. Making this trip a requirement to advance is against BSA policy. PERIOD.

The parents are being ridiculous for expecting other VOLUNTEER parents to take on their son’s problems for a week.

Instead of filing lawsuits the parents should have complained to BSA National about the additional requirements. If that didn’t work they could have looked for another troop in the area or registered their son as a lone scout. Better yet, they could have started a brand new scout troop specifically catering to boys with difficulties. But hey, whining and filing suit is a lot easier for a lawyer parent, isn’t it?

]]> By: Ralph http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-565349 Ralph Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:42:18 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-565349 "Our sons were involved in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, the youngest was very close to Eagle Scout requirements when the Boy Scouts adopted the intolerance policies regarding sexuality and religion at which point he and several other boys dropped out in protest" Another oxymoron post. Oh well, you can't argue with an idiot. “Our sons were involved in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, the youngest was very close to Eagle Scout requirements when the Boy Scouts adopted the intolerance policies regarding sexuality and religion at which point he and several other boys dropped out in protest”

Another oxymoron post. Oh well, you can’t argue with an idiot.

]]> By: A Wish To Be in the Brownies http://www.blisstree.com/articles/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/comment-page-1/#comment-564685 A Wish To Be in the Brownies Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:52:23 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/excluded-again-a-14-year-old-and-boy-scout-troop-223/#comment-564685 [...] from week-long scouting trip, which prevented him from advancing in rank, his parents filed a lawsuit against the Pacific Palisades Boy Scout Troop 223—-more recently, in Wisconsin, after one visit to Girl Scout Brownie troop for girls with [...] [...] from week-long scouting trip, which prevented him from advancing in rank, his parents filed a lawsuit against the Pacific Palisades Boy Scout Troop 223—-more recently, in Wisconsin, after one visit to Girl Scout Brownie troop for girls with [...]

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