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		<title>By: weekend linkage &#171; Adventures in Juggling</title>
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		<dc:creator>weekend linkage &#171; Adventures in Juggling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh God, this was my life with the first one. Hang in there, Christine! You all will survive. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Craig at Balanced Immune Health</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig at Balanced Immune Health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. All I can offer is:

1) Many other parents/families are in the same boat, so you are definitely not alone, and can take some solace in that.

2) He&#039;s still a good, caring kid. You should take heart in that, because that is as important and defining as anything in life. And is a reflection of your parental love and attention over the years. 

3) As one counseling instructor told me in college, at the end of the day, we can&#039;t take direct responsibilitiy for others&#039; feelings and how they choose to respond to life. People are responsible for their own behavior. Easier said than done, I know, but others here have offered that same kind of thought. I buy it as well. 

4) As one boss told me, no matter how others may try to guide or help or instruct or scold, some people have to step in a big pile of sh*t before the light comes on. That&#039;s the only way they get it. 

5) It sounds like you&#039;re conscientious and clued in to your kid&#039;s life that, in the long term, a successful milestone will emerge, whenever or whatever that is. It&#039;s not like you&#039;ve abandoned him. That will count in the long run. In the meantime, as others have mentioned, you may have to cut him loose for a while. 

6) Does he have any close friends who are trying to get through to him? Or are they kind of in the same boat with their lives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. All I can offer is:</p>
<p>1) Many other parents/families are in the same boat, so you are definitely not alone, and can take some solace in that.</p>
<p>2) He&#8217;s still a good, caring kid. You should take heart in that, because that is as important and defining as anything in life. And is a reflection of your parental love and attention over the years. </p>
<p>3) As one counseling instructor told me in college, at the end of the day, we can&#8217;t take direct responsibilitiy for others&#8217; feelings and how they choose to respond to life. People are responsible for their own behavior. Easier said than done, I know, but others here have offered that same kind of thought. I buy it as well. </p>
<p>4) As one boss told me, no matter how others may try to guide or help or instruct or scold, some people have to step in a big pile of sh*t before the light comes on. That&#8217;s the only way they get it. </p>
<p>5) It sounds like you&#8217;re conscientious and clued in to your kid&#8217;s life that, in the long term, a successful milestone will emerge, whenever or whatever that is. It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;ve abandoned him. That will count in the long run. In the meantime, as others have mentioned, you may have to cut him loose for a while. </p>
<p>6) Does he have any close friends who are trying to get through to him? Or are they kind of in the same boat with their lives?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, one more excellent book
http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-Paradise-David-Colfax/dp/0446514896/ref=pd_sim_b_2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, one more excellent book<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-Paradise-David-Colfax/dp/0446514896/ref=pd_sim_b_2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-Paradise-David-Colfax/dp/0446514896/ref=pd_sim_b_2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is one more book and since I see the html code didn&#039;t work I&#039;ll just simply paste
http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lives-Eleven-Teenagers-Stories/dp/096295912X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1227118352&amp;sr=8-2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one more book and since I see the html code didn&#8217;t work I&#8217;ll just simply paste<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lives-Eleven-Teenagers-Stories/dp/096295912X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1227118352&amp;amp;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lives-Eleven-Teenagers-Stories/dp/096295912X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1227118352&amp;amp;sr=8-2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a discussion on a homeschool board I read recently&gt; here is the link&gt; http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65695

I&#039;ve talked to a few other mothers with sons like this-- they were homeschooling already-- and the gist of it was, they need to be released. Let them fail, get off their back, let them quit high school and get on with their life.  They have made up their mind, and aren&#039;t likely to change it.  Even New Hampshire is talking about having high school end at 10th grade now!  Remember the 12 years of education model is relatively new, historically speaking, and I can&#039;t say it&#039;s been a smashing success, looking at our society today. 

Most community colleges require neither high school diploma nor G.E.D.: they only require the incoming student take placement tests.  Then the student can begin classes based upon the testing. The student can get A.A. degrees in many job fields, and then can transfer to a 4 year university-one day, when he chooses- with just the community college transcripts.

There is also Accelerated Education- 

Here are some books I recommend:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Liberation-Handbook-School-Education/dp/0962959170/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1227118352&amp;sr=8-1&quot;The Teenage Liberation Handbook&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Accelerated-Distance-Learning-College-Twenty-First/dp/0970156316/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1227118411&amp;sr=8-1&quot;Accelerated Distance Learning&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a discussion on a homeschool board I read recently&amp;gt; here is the link&amp;gt; <a href="http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65695" rel="nofollow">http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65695</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked to a few other mothers with sons like this&#8211; they were homeschooling already&#8211; and the gist of it was, they need to be released. Let them fail, get off their back, let them quit high school and get on with their life.  They have made up their mind, and aren&#8217;t likely to change it.  Even New Hampshire is talking about having high school end at 10th grade now!  Remember the 12 years of education model is relatively new, historically speaking, and I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s been a smashing success, looking at our society today. </p>
<p>Most community colleges require neither high school diploma nor G.E.D.: they only require the incoming student take placement tests.  Then the student can begin classes based upon the testing. The student can get A.A. degrees in many job fields, and then can transfer to a 4 year university-one day, when he chooses- with just the community college transcripts.</p>
<p>There is also Accelerated Education- </p>
<p>Here are some books I recommend:</p>
<p>&amp;lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Liberation-Handbook-School-Education/dp/0962959170/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1227118352&amp;amp;sr=8-1&quot;The Teenage Liberation Handbook&lt;/a&gt;<br />
&amp;lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Accelerated-Distance-Learning-College-Twenty-First/dp/0970156316/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1227118411&amp;amp;sr=8-1&quot;Accelerated Distance Learning&lt;/a&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good timing with this post.  My daughter&#039;s middle school has a website where I can check her grades on a regular basis, and yesterday I discovered that she has a D in Social Studies because of 3 missing assignments (worth a total of 200 points) and a D on a quiz.  Granted, it&#039;s early in the quarter and she claims she&#039;s already doing extra credit to try and bring the grade up, but what happened to my straight A student?  It&#039;s like she doesn&#039;t even want to try anymore.  I told her that I&#039;d understand if her grades were slipping because she was struggling with the material, but if it&#039;s something dumb like not turning in her work, that is just unacceptable. 

As for your son, it sounds like he&#039;s just being stubborn.  It also seems like you&#039;ve done everything you possibly could, and maybe letting him fail and learn from his own mistakes is the best thing to do now.  Maybe when you stop &quot;caring&quot; about his grades, he&#039;ll stop trying to prove something to you.  It seems like a power struggle, and maybe if you stopped fighting him he&#039;d get bored with a one-sided fight and start trying again.  Let&#039;s hope, right?

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good timing with this post.  My daughter&#8217;s middle school has a website where I can check her grades on a regular basis, and yesterday I discovered that she has a D in Social Studies because of 3 missing assignments (worth a total of 200 points) and a D on a quiz.  Granted, it&#8217;s early in the quarter and she claims she&#8217;s already doing extra credit to try and bring the grade up, but what happened to my straight A student?  It&#8217;s like she doesn&#8217;t even want to try anymore.  I told her that I&#8217;d understand if her grades were slipping because she was struggling with the material, but if it&#8217;s something dumb like not turning in her work, that is just unacceptable. </p>
<p>As for your son, it sounds like he&#8217;s just being stubborn.  It also seems like you&#8217;ve done everything you possibly could, and maybe letting him fail and learn from his own mistakes is the best thing to do now.  Maybe when you stop &#8220;caring&#8221; about his grades, he&#8217;ll stop trying to prove something to you.  It seems like a power struggle, and maybe if you stopped fighting him he&#8217;d get bored with a one-sided fight and start trying again.  Let&#8217;s hope, right?</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this was my life with my first teen.
all i can offer is comiseration.
i forced my daughter to finish high school and i told she would or die trying. independent study was what finally got her the diploma. she still made what i believe to be bad choices given the fact she is extremely bright and now as a young adult she has regrets and does struggle and will likely struggle for years to come but she accepts the bed she made with a lot of regret especially as she sees the promise in the lives of her younger sisters who have chosen to do well in high school. she thanks me for dragging her through high school to graduation.
i have to offer based on what my now adult daughter has told me about those 4 painful years in our lives that there comes a point where even if they are still children in so many ways, they are ultimately responsible for the bad choices that they have made and they soon realize it. dig in your heels and stand firm. get him through high school to his diploma and PRAY, PRAY, PRAY!
take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this was my life with my first teen.<br />
all i can offer is comiseration.<br />
i forced my daughter to finish high school and i told she would or die trying. independent study was what finally got her the diploma. she still made what i believe to be bad choices given the fact she is extremely bright and now as a young adult she has regrets and does struggle and will likely struggle for years to come but she accepts the bed she made with a lot of regret especially as she sees the promise in the lives of her younger sisters who have chosen to do well in high school. she thanks me for dragging her through high school to graduation.<br />
i have to offer based on what my now adult daughter has told me about those 4 painful years in our lives that there comes a point where even if they are still children in so many ways, they are ultimately responsible for the bad choices that they have made and they soon realize it. dig in your heels and stand firm. get him through high school to his diploma and PRAY, PRAY, PRAY!<br />
take care.</p>
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