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		<title>By: The Curious Reports of Vaccines and Autism on CBS</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Curious Reports of Vaccines and Autism on CBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son does not play yet.  He would probably end up breaking the instrument at this time like Charlie&#039;s guitar.  He knows these songs by humming them perfectly, and according to the instructor, that is very helpful in learning by their method.   I will have to wait until he is a bit more mature to start.  We can join Suzuki through our school district (an endowment funds the program) at any age.  My daughter began in kindergarten and I felt she could have waited another year to begin. I have let him move the bow over the strings while I held the violin, but that is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son does not play yet.  He would probably end up breaking the instrument at this time like Charlie&#8217;s guitar.  He knows these songs by humming them perfectly, and according to the instructor, that is very helpful in learning by their method.   I will have to wait until he is a bit more mature to start.  We can join Suzuki through our school district (an endowment funds the program) at any age.  My daughter began in kindergarten and I felt she could have waited another year to begin. I have let him move the bow over the strings while I held the violin, but that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shell, Charlie was 9----it was the summer before last (2006) that he started to play piano. He&#039;s always shown an interest in music and we first thought he might try an instrument when my parents bought him a toy guitar and he was completely absorbed by strumming the strings. He broke the little guitar&#039;s neck and then the neck of another one, so we decided to let that go.  He plays both a keyboard and a piano.

I had thought of Suzuki---Charlie wasn&#039;t ready to start at 4, though.  Is your son playing the songs on his sister&#039;s violin? 

@Melody, I kind of started studying Greek and Mandarin just by poring over books with letters and characters, and then was able (with study) to learn the languages. I studied some music theory and recall that it made little sense then, but I&#039;ve occasion to draw on that (minimal) background. Am fascinated by chords and cadences.

@Paula, Ha! I&#039;d like much to know more of your thoughts on that study&#039;s findings---also occurs to me now that, when he was younger, Charlie tended to imitate machines (the microwave, garage door) much more readily than the human voice. Is an instrument a machine or does it have some aspects of a machine?......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shell, Charlie was 9&#8212;-it was the summer before last (2006) that he started to play piano. He&#8217;s always shown an interest in music and we first thought he might try an instrument when my parents bought him a toy guitar and he was completely absorbed by strumming the strings. He broke the little guitar&#8217;s neck and then the neck of another one, so we decided to let that go.  He plays both a keyboard and a piano.</p>
<p>I had thought of Suzuki&#8212;Charlie wasn&#8217;t ready to start at 4, though.  Is your son playing the songs on his sister&#8217;s violin? </p>
<p>@Melody, I kind of started studying Greek and Mandarin just by poring over books with letters and characters, and then was able (with study) to learn the languages. I studied some music theory and recall that it made little sense then, but I&#8217;ve occasion to draw on that (minimal) background. Am fascinated by chords and cadences.</p>
<p>@Paula, Ha! I&#8217;d like much to know more of your thoughts on that study&#8217;s findings&#8212;also occurs to me now that, when he was younger, Charlie tended to imitate machines (the microwave, garage door) much more readily than the human voice. Is an instrument a machine or does it have some aspects of a machine?&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was very young, before I could read, I looked at calculus and physics textbooks. I didn&#039;t understand the words or the symbols, but I would keep looking at those books, year after year, and when I was about 4 I knew I wanted to study physics. Then I would do the same thing when I was 14, studying advanced math and physics books for college students, and then three years later I actually do acquire that understanding.

For some reason, just seeing or doing something before, will make a big difference when it comes to recognizing symbols (it was because I had difficulty learning symbols that I had a hard time with math in elementary and junior high school, but then  a few years later excelled at it after I&#039;d gotten comfortable with the symbols).

Likewise, with music, when I was about 6 I started playing on a piano, then we got a keyboard so I could play at home. I got books to teach how to read music (which my parents didn&#039;t know, though my dad plays guitar - he&#039;d let me strum the guitar when I was a baby), and for the first few years I had a real hard time making sense of the notation, but about 8 or 9 years later, it clicked for me, and I had an almost intuitive knowledge. Now I&#039;m pretty rusty, and mostly don&#039;t use music notation, as it&#039;s much more effective for me to remember spatial connections of playing, as with guitar and piano. I don&#039;t remember much of my music theory from 4 years ago, but now I have an almost intuitive understanding of chords and music composition.

For things like learning a process, or to operate a machine, it really is practice that makes perfect - not just being told what to do all the time, which is both confusing and exhausting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was very young, before I could read, I looked at calculus and physics textbooks. I didn&#8217;t understand the words or the symbols, but I would keep looking at those books, year after year, and when I was about 4 I knew I wanted to study physics. Then I would do the same thing when I was 14, studying advanced math and physics books for college students, and then three years later I actually do acquire that understanding.</p>
<p>For some reason, just seeing or doing something before, will make a big difference when it comes to recognizing symbols (it was because I had difficulty learning symbols that I had a hard time with math in elementary and junior high school, but then  a few years later excelled at it after I&#8217;d gotten comfortable with the symbols).</p>
<p>Likewise, with music, when I was about 6 I started playing on a piano, then we got a keyboard so I could play at home. I got books to teach how to read music (which my parents didn&#8217;t know, though my dad plays guitar &#8211; he&#8217;d let me strum the guitar when I was a baby), and for the first few years I had a real hard time making sense of the notation, but about 8 or 9 years later, it clicked for me, and I had an almost intuitive knowledge. Now I&#8217;m pretty rusty, and mostly don&#8217;t use music notation, as it&#8217;s much more effective for me to remember spatial connections of playing, as with guitar and piano. I don&#8217;t remember much of my music theory from 4 years ago, but now I have an almost intuitive understanding of chords and music composition.</p>
<p>For things like learning a process, or to operate a machine, it really is practice that makes perfect &#8211; not just being told what to do all the time, which is both confusing and exhausting.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;

The ear interprets sound coming from computer chips in one way, and the richness of sound from live music being played by a human being in another way. In the recording, all the &quot;mixing&quot; of sounds is done by the device, so that the listener hears one composite sound, which is not as exciting or involving or satisfactory as doing one&#039;s own mixing of sounds with the ear.

I read a treatise on this once and can&#039;t find it right now to quote from but might be able to find it later this weekend.

&lt;&gt;

I don&#039;t know about that, at least at my level of musicianship. How would I know exactly what emotional impact I am having on someone, and how would I know what to change about my playing to inculcate a *different* emotional response from someone? I think the most I can be aware of is whether or not my audience is paying attention or getting bored. 

As to the content of each individual&#039;s emotional response, let alone some sort of group response, let me quote my music teacher, who once gave a series of lectures on church music. On the effect of hearing a familiar hymn tune as part of another composition:

&quot;Now when &quot;Jim&quot; listens to the prelude, he may remember the words of the hymn, and that will give meaning to his listening, and when &quot;Mary&quot; hears to the prelude, it may remind her of something she associates with the hymn, even if she doesn&#039;t remember the words, and when &quot;Sue&quot; hears it, it might just give her a certain feeling based on having heard church music in the past, and,... [and here I had a strange premonition and almost said &quot;Leave me out of it!]... when *Paula* hears the prelude, who *knows* what she is thinking?!&quot;

I need to remind him that he said that, now that he knows I am on the autism spectrum. ;)</description>
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<p>The ear interprets sound coming from computer chips in one way, and the richness of sound from live music being played by a human being in another way. In the recording, all the &#8220;mixing&#8221; of sounds is done by the device, so that the listener hears one composite sound, which is not as exciting or involving or satisfactory as doing one&#8217;s own mixing of sounds with the ear.</p>
<p>I read a treatise on this once and can&#8217;t find it right now to quote from but might be able to find it later this weekend.</p>
<p>&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about that, at least at my level of musicianship. How would I know exactly what emotional impact I am having on someone, and how would I know what to change about my playing to inculcate a *different* emotional response from someone? I think the most I can be aware of is whether or not my audience is paying attention or getting bored. </p>
<p>As to the content of each individual&#8217;s emotional response, let alone some sort of group response, let me quote my music teacher, who once gave a series of lectures on church music. On the effect of hearing a familiar hymn tune as part of another composition:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now when &#8220;Jim&#8221; listens to the prelude, he may remember the words of the hymn, and that will give meaning to his listening, and when &#8220;Mary&#8221; hears to the prelude, it may remind her of something she associates with the hymn, even if she doesn&#8217;t remember the words, and when &#8220;Sue&#8221; hears it, it might just give her a certain feeling based on having heard church music in the past, and,&#8230; [and here I had a strange premonition and almost said "Leave me out of it!]&#8230; when *Paula* hears the prelude, who *knows* what she is thinking?!&#8221;</p>
<p>I need to remind him that he said that, now that he knows I am on the autism spectrum. <img src='http://www.blisstree.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristina,  how old was Charlie when he began music lessons?  My son is just 4 and very hyperactive, but he knows all his older sister&#039;s Suzuki violin songs because he has heard them along with her over the past 3 years.  This program teaches by ear first, thus the listening to the pieces over and over again.  I may consider enrolling him when he gets a bit older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristina,  how old was Charlie when he began music lessons?  My son is just 4 and very hyperactive, but he knows all his older sister&#8217;s Suzuki violin songs because he has heard them along with her over the past 3 years.  This program teaches by ear first, thus the listening to the pieces over and over again.  I may consider enrolling him when he gets a bit older.</p>
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