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		<title>By: Patience</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/hans-reiser-and-the-aspergers-defense-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-553345</link>
		<dc:creator>Patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A coworker of mine (placed in the job by Alpha Autism, which is a pretty awesome Australian autism support group for adults) consistently used his Asperger&#039;s diagnosis as an excuse, up to and including sexual harassment.  None of us, his coworkers, ever brought it up for fear of being labelled as intolerant (though we had a range of physical and mental disabilities among us, including a few people also placed with Alpha Autism) and punished.  I can definitely see how defense lawyers would want to use this on a larger scale.

Society&#039;s rules still apply, whether you understand WHY they apply or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A coworker of mine (placed in the job by Alpha Autism, which is a pretty awesome Australian autism support group for adults) consistently used his Asperger&#8217;s diagnosis as an excuse, up to and including sexual harassment.  None of us, his coworkers, ever brought it up for fear of being labelled as intolerant (though we had a range of physical and mental disabilities among us, including a few people also placed with Alpha Autism) and punished.  I can definitely see how defense lawyers would want to use this on a larger scale.</p>
<p>Society&#8217;s rules still apply, whether you understand WHY they apply or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Interprete &#187; Han Reiser and autism</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/hans-reiser-and-the-aspergers-defense-troubling/comment-page-1/#comment-558801</link>
		<dc:creator>Interprete &#187; Han Reiser and autism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vox has a post about the recent autism defense for Han Reiser&#8217;s case. It will be interesting to see play out (and i am as baffled as she is about the Duckbill Platypus. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vox has a post about the recent autism defense for Han Reiser&#8217;s case. It will be interesting to see play out (and i am as baffled as she is about the Duckbill Platypus. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m having a conversation with someone else here, and she just pointed out something as well — there’s a huge difference between someone exploiting an autistic person’s vulnerabilities in order to get them to commit a crime they don’t understand, and an autistic person committing a premeditated crime.&quot;
This is an excellent observation and so true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m having a conversation with someone else here, and she just pointed out something as well — there’s a huge difference between someone exploiting an autistic person’s vulnerabilities in order to get them to commit a crime they don’t understand, and an autistic person committing a premeditated crime.&#8221;<br />
This is an excellent observation and so true.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having a conversation with someone else here, and she just pointed out something as well -- there&#039;s a huge difference between someone exploiting an autistic person&#039;s vulnerabilities in order to get them to commit a crime they don&#039;t understand, and an autistic person committing a premeditated crime.

The analogy I was just given, is handing a blind person a blackmail letter that they couldn&#039;t see, and telling them to give it to some particular person, while they were unaware of the content.

The two things should not be equated, and when autistic people do something wrong because of exploitation, it&#039;s the exploiters who should get sentenced, just the same as they ought to in any other context.  

There are terrorists who use cognitively disabled people as suicide bombers without telling them what&#039;s going to happen, after all.  If by some chance someone actually survived that, I hope someone wouldn&#039;t put them in an institution for the rest of their life on the off-chance that another terrorist would snatch them up and do the same thing.

I don&#039;t like to see conversations about people like this guy -- who is obviously guilty of a premeditated act -- getting diverted into &quot;Whenever autistic people do something wrong, they ought to be locked up, no matter what the context is, because we don&#039;t want to give the impression that autistic people &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; get into situations where someone cons them into doing something awful, because that would somehow mean none of us are &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; responsible.&quot;

That&#039;s just black and white thinking and not useful at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having a conversation with someone else here, and she just pointed out something as well &#8212; there&#8217;s a huge difference between someone exploiting an autistic person&#8217;s vulnerabilities in order to get them to commit a crime they don&#8217;t understand, and an autistic person committing a premeditated crime.</p>
<p>The analogy I was just given, is handing a blind person a blackmail letter that they couldn&#8217;t see, and telling them to give it to some particular person, while they were unaware of the content.</p>
<p>The two things should not be equated, and when autistic people do something wrong because of exploitation, it&#8217;s the exploiters who should get sentenced, just the same as they ought to in any other context.  </p>
<p>There are terrorists who use cognitively disabled people as suicide bombers without telling them what&#8217;s going to happen, after all.  If by some chance someone actually survived that, I hope someone wouldn&#8217;t put them in an institution for the rest of their life on the off-chance that another terrorist would snatch them up and do the same thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to see conversations about people like this guy &#8212; who is obviously guilty of a premeditated act &#8212; getting diverted into &#8220;Whenever autistic people do something wrong, they ought to be locked up, no matter what the context is, because we don&#8217;t want to give the impression that autistic people <em>ever</em> get into situations where someone cons them into doing something awful, because that would somehow mean none of us are <em>ever</em> responsible.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just black and white thinking and not useful at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And being a geek doesn&#039;t make a person autistic.  I&#039;ve known very non-autistic but very sociopathic geeks before (it&#039;s a bad combination in assorted geeky communities when there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; autistic geeks to exploit, too, as I learned the hard way... hmm), and frankly most geeks I&#039;ve known were not autistic.  (Some were neurologically atypical in other ways, some weren&#039;t, and there were more autistic people than usual, but certainly not more autistic people than there were non-autistic people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And being a geek doesn&#8217;t make a person autistic.  I&#8217;ve known very non-autistic but very sociopathic geeks before (it&#8217;s a bad combination in assorted geeky communities when there <em>are</em> autistic geeks to exploit, too, as I learned the hard way&#8230; hmm), and frankly most geeks I&#8217;ve known were not autistic.  (Some were neurologically atypical in other ways, some weren&#8217;t, and there were more autistic people than usual, but certainly not more autistic people than there were non-autistic people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good grief.  I&#039;d be rolling my eyes too if I were on the jury.  That&#039;s so stupid, and the S&amp;M thing is stupid too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good grief.  I&#8217;d be rolling my eyes too if I were on the jury.  That&#8217;s so stupid, and the S&amp;M thing is stupid too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More from &lt;a href=&quot;http://valleywag.com/5023315/convicted-hacker+killers-take-on-his-innocence-and-sm-sex-play&quot;&gt;Reiser about his innocence&lt;/a&gt;-----I had thought about posting about his trial earlier and was not sure how to write about it. Then when I read about him showing police Nina Reiser&#039;s body----wow. I&#039;d been struck by his seemingly deep insistence on why the car with the missing front seat was in the state it was in-----by so many rationalizations, as it were.  

Not a fair comparison for the platypus, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from <a href="http://valleywag.com/5023315/convicted-hacker+killers-take-on-his-innocence-and-sm-sex-play">Reiser about his innocence</a>&#8212;&#8211;I had thought about posting about his trial earlier and was not sure how to write about it. Then when I read about him showing police Nina Reiser&#8217;s body&#8212;-wow. I&#8217;d been struck by his seemingly deep insistence on why the car with the missing front seat was in the state it was in&#8212;&#8211;by so many rationalizations, as it were.  </p>
<p>Not a fair comparison for the platypus, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebohlman,
Thanks for pointing out the difference. I&#039;ll admit that I jumped to a conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebohlman,<br />
Thanks for pointing out the difference. I&#8217;ll admit that I jumped to a conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: ebohlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebohlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a lot of the commentary is confusing two completely separate legal issues:

1) Does the defendant&#039;s mental condition render him not responsible for any crimes he committed? That&#039;s the insanity defense, which is rarely used and even more rarely successful. It&#039;s not an issue in this case.

2) Is the defendant mentally capable of properly defending himself (which includes sentencing negotiations) in his trial? Here the issue is not whether or not the defendant is responsible for his acts, but whether he can get a fair trial. Normally in a murder case, an incompetent defendant would be held in a secure hospital until such time as he became competent, at which point he&#039;d be tried. That&#039;s the issue at hand.

The issue here seems to be whether Reiser can argue that behavior that most people would think indicated, say, lack of remorse may be due to his neurology rather than his actual state of mind. Nobody&#039;s arguing that he isn&#039;t responsible for the killing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a lot of the commentary is confusing two completely separate legal issues:</p>
<p>1) Does the defendant&#8217;s mental condition render him not responsible for any crimes he committed? That&#8217;s the insanity defense, which is rarely used and even more rarely successful. It&#8217;s not an issue in this case.</p>
<p>2) Is the defendant mentally capable of properly defending himself (which includes sentencing negotiations) in his trial? Here the issue is not whether or not the defendant is responsible for his acts, but whether he can get a fair trial. Normally in a murder case, an incompetent defendant would be held in a secure hospital until such time as he became competent, at which point he&#8217;d be tried. That&#8217;s the issue at hand.</p>
<p>The issue here seems to be whether Reiser can argue that behavior that most people would think indicated, say, lack of remorse may be due to his neurology rather than his actual state of mind. Nobody&#8217;s arguing that he isn&#8217;t responsible for the killing.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are some genuine criminal justice issues for those with PDDs. 

Was it established that Mr. Reiser was diagnosed or was that more speculative and ad hoc for the purposes of the trial? 

I would hate to see Asperger&#039;s Syndrome hijacked as a disingenuous &quot;Twinkie Defense&quot; of this century, not only because it potentially creates a false impression of the great majority of the group as sociopaths or not to be trusted, but runs the risk of making a joke of a legitimate defense when that might be relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are some genuine criminal justice issues for those with PDDs. </p>
<p>Was it established that Mr. Reiser was diagnosed or was that more speculative and ad hoc for the purposes of the trial? </p>
<p>I would hate to see Asperger&#8217;s Syndrome hijacked as a disingenuous &#8220;Twinkie Defense&#8221; of this century, not only because it potentially creates a false impression of the great majority of the group as sociopaths or not to be trusted, but runs the risk of making a joke of a legitimate defense when that might be relevant.</p>
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