“I’m sorry, Alan, but deciding to believe it is not a sin does not make it so.”

It does not say that loving someone is a sin in the bible. the sex part according to the bible is, and i agreed with you on that point. I accept it although i may not live up to that.

Im happy to hear however that you as a person are tolerant and respectant of other.

This discussion has been quite interesting. thank you both, i shall bow out at this point.

Alan X

And that is how I must answer the questions posed to me by Alicia – the Bible is the authority on what is right and wrong. Neither you nor I have the right to disagree with it and if or when we ignore it, we do so at our own peril. I’m sorry, Alan, but deciding to believe it is not a sin does not make it so. And no, Alicia, we do not get to decide what is right or wrong based on our feelings.

I realize I didn’t answer your question as to whether I could marry a woman, but I’m afraid I simply can’t. There are examples of heterosexual women having homosexual relations in situations where men were not available – jail, for example. There are too many variables for me to definitively state what I would or could do. The desires for companionship, intimacy and sexual relations are incredibly strong. If my environment were different, perhaps I would chose to fulfill these desires with another female. It doesn’t seem impossible to me.

Lisa, while I was reading your comment, a question came to mind: From your comment, I’m assuming you’re heterosexual (forgive me if I’m wrong). If you were told heterosexuality is wrong – that it’s a sin and one you are, according to the Bible, supposed to suppress – would you be able to do it? Would you be able to marry a woman, after having been born a person who is attracted to males? I’m guessing it would be difficult (it would for me, and I couldn’t do it).

I guess, like most things in life and especially in religion, it all boils down to what we, as individuals, genuinely feel is right and wrong.

I have to dissagree, Choosing to be gay is NOT a choice. A gay mans brain physiology is different to a straight mans, a proven fact. but choosing to have sex is a choice, I agree with you on this.

However if i choose to love my boyfriend i do not believe it to be a sin,

(sex is irrelevant, as all sex even between man and wife is sin unless for the purposes of pro-creation, hence the anti contraception stance).

Therefore gay sex and straight sex in this regards are both morally wrong. But love! that is exactly the same as heterosexual love. two people who love and respect one another makes the world a better place.

Basically my point is i know god made me this way and is happy if im happy in a realtionship full of respect and loyalty. male or female, but he may judge me because of sexual conduct but the same can be said for most promiscious men, women and unmarried partners in general.

Alan

The thing is – it doesn’t matter whether they are born with those desires or not. All of us are born with sinful desires. As a heterosexual, it was my strong desire to have sexual relations with a man prior to marriage. Some people have very strong desires to steal – kleptomaniacs. I believe their condition to be environmental rather than genetic, but the fact remains that they have a very strong urge to do something that is sinful to God. Every human being has a sinful nature and that is why we all need Jesus.

The main argument seems to be “God made them that way,” but that argument holds no water since all humans are born with a sin nature. Jesus offers His salvation to all of us, but we are in no position to accept it if we are making excuses and rationalizing our behavior rather than reading His word and accepting that our behavior is sinful.

i’ve totaly accepted being gay now and have a great life, with accepting friends, family and work colleagues, i enjoy life completely normally and am pleased to say have been able to hold hands with partners on the streets with no problems.

Alan x