Indirect Discourse: On representing autism
February 22, 2007 by Kristina Chew, PhD
Filed under Health
Indirect discourse (also known as “indirect statement”) is a grammatical construction that is taught to students who have just passed the halfway mark in their study of Latin grammar. To use indirect discourse is to relay (indirectly) someone else’s words. So, an example of direct discourse is my son Charlie saying:
And an example of indirect discourse is:
Charlie’s mother says that he needs a break.
That is, in the second sentence (the example of indirect discourse) I am relaying—repeating—representing what Charlie says. It can be said, that is, that I have taken Charlie’s words (”I need a break”) and put them into my own mouth (”Charlie’s mother says that he needs a break”). Note that, in indirect discourse, Charlie’s “I” has had to be substituted for with the third-person pronoun, “he.” (Else one ends up with a nonsensical sentence: “Charlie’s mother says that I need a break.”)
The students in my Elementary Latin class have not yet started to study indirect discourse (we are just finishing our study of the passive voice of verbs) but I have been thinking of this Latin grammatical construction today as a result of some recent exchanges on Autism Vox and on Autismland regarding my attempts to phonetically convey what Charlie’s speech sounds like (for instance, my writing of him saying “Mahm” instead of “Mom”), and of my representation of Charlie in my online writing in general. Amanda Baggs of Ballastexistenz noted to me that
“I had a lot of articulation problems growing up. I would not have liked it if someone had spelled everything I said phonetically because other people thought it was cute or personal.”
and also that
“I do not see you describe other people in your life from as far outside as you describe Charlie.”
These two observations of Amanda’s capture the main issues that I find myself, the parent of an autistic child, facing when I try to represent my son in writing. How to be honest? How to be true? How to be ethical? How to present him as he “real-ly” is? Can I ever step out of my perspective of being Charlie’s non-autistic mother and ever get through so many levels of biases and presumptions and even the blinkers—the rose-tinted glasses—of a parent’s feelings for her child as I write about him?
My feeling is that I cannot. I can describe and narrate, I can speculate and apply what I have learned about autism from autistic persons and books and blogs, but it is important to me to acknowledge that I do not know how, indeed, Charlie would wish for me to represent him. And it is also important to me to acknowledge that, when I write about what Charlie says, or rather about what I hear him saying, that I am writing in indirect discourse. And from a grammatical perspective—a Latin grammatical perspective—something interesting happens when using indirect discourse.
Consider these sentences, all Latin translations of the examples above.
Desidero quiescere. I need [desidero] a break [=to rest, quiescere]
In this sentence—an example of direct discourse—Charlie is the subject of the sentence, the “I” (indicated by the -o ending of desidero; there is a Latin word for “I,” ego, but it is not necessary to use it); he is the agent, the doer, the speaker of these words; he is self-advocating. Note what happens when his words are put into indirect discourse:
Mater Caroli dicit eum quiescere desiderare. [Charlie's mother says that he needs a break.]
This sentence contains an example of indirect discourse, as the mater Caroli is doing the speaking (dicit) THAT he (i.e., Charlie/Carolus) needs or wishes to take a break (or, to translate quiescere more literally, “rest”). It can further be noted that eum, which is the word for “he,” is in the accusative case, in accordance with the rules of writing a statement in indirect discourse in Latin: The subject of the indirect discourse is in the accusative case and the verb is in the form of an infinitive (desiderare, “to need, desire”).
Latin is an inflected language which (to make a very long story short) means that, in order to indicate how words function in a sentence, one changes the endings of the words, rather than changing the word order (as is the case in English, as indicated by the sentences “dog bites man” and “man bites dog”). So eum being in the accusative case means that it is a direct object, that is, it is the recipient of the action of the main verb of the sentence (dicit). And the subect of that verb—-the person doing the talking and the representing—is in the nominative case; it is the mater.
This is to say: When it comes to me, autism mother, representing my autistic son, Charlie, it has so far been the case that I am the person who does the action (speaking, representing) and Charlie is at the receiving end of things: He gets spoken of, he is represented. And a good example of this is my attempt to phonetically convey his particular pronunication of words. While my intent in doing this has been to present Charlie “as he truly is,” I recognize that what I intend in writing and what the effect is, can be two quite different things. What Amanda Baggs’ observations enjoin me to do is to help Charlie learn to move into the position of the nominative case and to see him do the talking about himself in direct discourse, without any “his mother says that he…..” preceding his own communication.
Further, the discussion today regarding how I represent Charlie also brought up the point about how Charlie might feel about what I have written about him, especially in regard to various details of his life. As he is getting older, does he really wish to have so much about his life, about himself, presented publicly?
A few years ago, I remember reading novelist Jennifer Weiner noting that she would not be writing online about the details of toilet-training her daughter, lest those webpages be secretly cached or somehow cut-pasted-and-saved on someone’s hard drive and her daughter (when grown up) discover some very personal, and very private, information that who knows who had read. Weiner, who uses words like “vomity” to full humorous effect, nonetheless know when enough of this sort of thing has been said, in contrast to a tendency among some parents of autistic children who seem to think that the only way to convey what life with autism is “really” like is to describe all things awful and kaka; all things bad. One has to wonder, how will these children feel to read their parents’ accounts of these personal, messy matters?
Perhaps my rule in writing about Charlie should be, if it does not sound right and dignified in direct discourse, don’t write it.

I will close by noting how two fathers of autistic children have referred to their children reading their autism books. “‘because thne bhook is wbout me abnd i havenot6rread it [sic]‘” types DJ Savarese in “Read the Book,” ch. 6 of Reasonable People: A Memoir of Autism and Adoption (forthcoming May 2007). DJ had had an “outburst” (p. 161) and, in response to his father Ralph Savarese’s asking him why this has happened, DJ responds that he thinks “‘you werwe making fun of me [sic]‘” (p. 162). DJ has heard Saverese read some of the book outloud and, as Savarese notes,
having been introduced to the story of himself, DJ wanted more. Just how badly he wanted more would become apparent as he pestered me throughout the summer and fall, querying, “do you have ready the biook foer me? [sic].” It was as if the book might not only awaken him but also guide him into the future, as in a tale by Borges……………. With DJ starting to represent himself, my conception of the book was beginning to change. I knew I wanted to incorporate his words into the story of his life. (p. 162)
“It’s My Story,the final chapter of Reasonable People: A Memoir of Autism and Adoption is by DJ himself; Savarese’s book—the Savereses’ book—can be seen as moving from indirect to direct discourse. As Savarese himself notes, DJ’s starting to write and to represent himself, changes the very form and shape of Reasonable People. The books becomes not only “a memoir of autism and adoption” but also, as DJ’s voice emerges, an autobiography.

The final two sentences of Roy Richard Grinker’s Unstrange Minds: Remapping the World of Autism also note how the author has written his book in full awareness—-in full expectation—of his child reading his words about her. Of Isabel, “the reason I wrote this book in the first place,” Grinker writes:
One day, when she can read this book, I hope she recognizes herself and sees how much she’s grown. (p. 306)
Consider this as the standard—the benchmark—for any and all books written about autism from now on. They have to be acceptable, to ring true, to an autistic person: If an autistic person cannot recognize her or himself in a “book about autism,” the book is not really about autism—is not a true representation of autism.















I can not know with certainty how Conor would feel about various matters discussed on these forums. But as a parent actively involved with my son’s our life I am in the best position to know, not total strangers, who, although they may share many characteristics of my son’s conditions do not share all of his characteristics. People who can type complex messages on the internet are not on the same functioning level as my son. I have to take steps to help him, to prevent self injury and to help him grow and enjoy life, not a total stranger half a world away.
Parents and families have been the driving force advocating for improvments in the lives of autistic persons not individuals who share some of their charicteristics and who actively oppose efforts to treat and educate autistic persons.If we do not discuss OUR children’s realities those advocacy efforts will be stunted. No loss to the internet crowd but a great loss to autistic persons like my son who lacks their intellectual and communication skills.
If I were to remain silent I would be doing my son a disfavor and I would be accepting the shame that some in the neurodiversity movement feel towards acknowledging those on the autism spectrum who are intellectually challenged.
I will not permit myself to be censored by neurodiversity political correctness. That is a decision we all have to make as parents in how to represent our children because it is we that care for them, represent them and advocate for a better life for them. No one else will undertake those efforts.
One of the reasons I frequently read you site is the care and respect you exert when writing about Charlie. The love you have for him comes through in everything you write. Your love of children and respect for people in general can be seen, as well, in your comments regarding every topic I have seen you post.
Hopefully when Charlie reads what you wrote, he will be struck by the intensity of your love for him.
After reading your entry on Marcus Fiesel’s neglect and subsequent death, I think Another Voice’s comments resonate even more so.
There are many autistic children who do not have the online record of the love and respect you show Charlie.
Thanks, Another Voice, for doing such a good job saying what I, too, feel about Kristina’s writing.
The Latin description is a fascinating way to make this point. I, too, struggle with how much to say. Now that my blind/autistic child read my blog (with the help of adaptive software), I am more wary of how I talk about him.
Daisy, what does Amigo think of your blog?
Harold, I read your comment this morning and have been thinking about it throughout the day. To me, it is not that I feel as if I am being “censored” by any readers. Since I am writing here (and on my other blog about my son), I am implicitly asking for responses, and I certainly do not expect everyone to agree with me. I’ve been glad to cast my lot in the “marketplace of ideas” and see what arises, and to reaccess, adapt, reconsider, and even change some of my views in the process (and also, in some cases, to reconfirm what I was already thinking). As you know, ABA has been the teaching method that has been best for Charlie and, as you also know, not everyone thinks so highly of it………I hope we can continue at least to read each other’s views and to stay in dialogue. I certainly thank everyone who contributes to these discussions here.
Harold Doherty wrote:
“the shame that some in the neurodiversity movement feel towards acknowledging those on the autism spectrum who are intellectually challenged”
Rubbish.
He constructs an easy-to-knock-down strawman and claims that it is a true representation of autistic self-advocacy (what he likes to call the “neurodiversity movement”). If he were engaging in such delusions of triumph in a vacuum, we could simply ignore him in his folly.
The problem, though, is that his strawmen (and identical strawmen constructed by others who wish to silence us, or at minimum keep us politically neutralized) get more publicity than the real thing. Many people hear about autistic self-advocacy only through such strawmen, and their minds that might have been open to discourse with us are snapped shut as a result.
These strawmen need to be challenged wherever they pop up.
And if Harold considers challenges to his lies and strawmen “censorship by neurodiversity political correctness”, too bad. He is writing his own epitaph.
(As we all are, with every word each of us commits to persistent media. But I think I can rest a lot easier with what will be on my epitaph than I would with what will be on his, given his present course and bearing.)
– Phil Schwarz
Aspie parent of an autistic son
Proud member of the autistic self-advocacy movement
Board member of Autism National Committee, an organization historically devoted to the well-being and rights of “those on the autism spectrum who are intellectually challenged”, in Harold’s words
What Phil said.
Sometimes I think that when people accuse autistic self advocates of “not acknowledging those on the spectrum who are intellectually challenged”, what they are really trying to say is, “If those autistic advocates / neurodiversity folks really cared about people, they’d be advocating intensive ABA or cures or even prevention of the existence of people who are intellectually challenged”. Or something along those lines. Sound about right?
I was slightly confused by Harold Doherty’s post, I felt as if I had started reading a new book at chapter 8. I checked around and found that he and Michelle Dawson have been doing battle over ABA elsewhere on the web. This post obviously contains more than a little spill over from that debate.
Back to the theme of the original post by Kristina, I continue to feel that Kristina does a wonderful job of describing her son with love and respect. There are a number of young mothers who write about their children on the internet and they do so with grace and dignity. They make a real difference in this community we call Autismland. It is easy to find the ‘bridge jumpers” and the parents who talk about train wreaks and devalue the child. Our community does not need any more hysteria, guilt trips or dogma. I feel we need examples of how to make it work. Open discussion of what has worked, what hasn’t and how to cope with the day to day living and loving that should be taking place. This is one of the web sites that makes that living and loving real, everyday.
We non-autistic parents of autistic kids can only represent our own views about autism and about our kids. We love our kids, we delight in their happiness and suffer in their pain, we nurture and guide them, we stand up for them, we advocate for them and we protect them as best we can. We know them the way parents know their children.
But we don’t know what it is like to be them. I cannot say that, because I have raised an autistic son, I understand more about maleness than any man, or that I understand more about autism than any autistic person.
Yes, it is up to us to speak for our children while they are children, in the same sense that attorneys speak for their clients in court. But that doesn’t mean that we always completely know what we’re talking about.
One of the places where “representation” of Charlie occurs the most is in regard to his education—-I am thinking of IEP meetings, meetings with school personnel, and the like. And also thinking that the time will come when Charlie can attend these himself.