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		<title>By: Another Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/measles-arent-going-away-theyre-on-the-rise/comment-page-1/#comment-561403</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed:  I agree that far too much time is spent on pro-vax / anti- vax.  I wish that folks like Wakefield would go away after having their work discredited but all that happened was he left the UK and set up shop in the US.

Wakefield has followers that say he was not entirely wrong; as if they could magically determine which parts of his research were factual and which were fabrication.

The dialogue will not end there is too much money at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed:  I agree that far too much time is spent on pro-vax / anti- vax.  I wish that folks like Wakefield would go away after having their work discredited but all that happened was he left the UK and set up shop in the US.</p>
<p>Wakefield has followers that say he was not entirely wrong; as if they could magically determine which parts of his research were factual and which were fabrication.</p>
<p>The dialogue will not end there is too much money at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedj</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/measles-arent-going-away-theyre-on-the-rise/comment-page-1/#comment-565013</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since modern medicine has nothing, people naturally look elsewhere.&quot;

Which is exactly the problem. As long as people think &#039;modern medicine&#039; = &#039;mainstream&#039;, people won&#039;t just look elsewhere, but risk overlooking what else is in the mainstream. Services for autism already struggle to stay open without the people who need them thinking they don&#039;t exist at all.

Unfortunetly for the autism community, many people involved in propagating the vax controversy have a massive amount of money and time invested. They won&#039;t let go because to do so is to admit a string of errors.

Rather sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since modern medicine has nothing, people naturally look elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is exactly the problem. As long as people think &#8216;modern medicine&#8217; = &#8216;mainstream&#8217;, people won&#8217;t just look elsewhere, but risk overlooking what else is in the mainstream. Services for autism already struggle to stay open without the people who need them thinking they don&#8217;t exist at all.</p>
<p>Unfortunetly for the autism community, many people involved in propagating the vax controversy have a massive amount of money and time invested. They won&#8217;t let go because to do so is to admit a string of errors.</p>
<p>Rather sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement about chelation is a statement about what is.  Since modern medicine has nothing, people naturally look elsewhere.  The answer to these treatments is for the medical community to come up with more than a shrug of the shoulders.

For this to happen, eyes have to be taken off of the pro-vax, anti-vax  controversy and concentrated on the medical aspects of autism.  To dwell on Wakefield is to dwell on the vax controversy.  This makes the blood flow, but does nothing for the autistic community.  Yet it seems to be the preferred topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement about chelation is a statement about what is.  Since modern medicine has nothing, people naturally look elsewhere.  The answer to these treatments is for the medical community to come up with more than a shrug of the shoulders.</p>
<p>For this to happen, eyes have to be taken off of the pro-vax, anti-vax  controversy and concentrated on the medical aspects of autism.  To dwell on Wakefield is to dwell on the vax controversy.  This makes the blood flow, but does nothing for the autistic community.  Yet it seems to be the preferred topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/measles-arent-going-away-theyre-on-the-rise/comment-page-1/#comment-565011</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed said:

“You are proving my point. There is medically useful information out there that is getting drowned in the animosity between the pro-vax and the anti-vax controversy.”

No, I am not proving your point, I am not engaging in a pro-vax/anti-vax controversy.  My comments are about integrity or lack of it, and misleading people by fabricating findings in a report.
  
I will however take exception to your statement that “The reason for going for chelation, hyperbaric oxygen, B12 and other therapies is that there is nothing from the medical community to take its place.”  Do you actually feel that since the medical community has not found a “cure?” for autism, you are therefore required to pursue chelation?  I certainly hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed said:</p>
<p>“You are proving my point. There is medically useful information out there that is getting drowned in the animosity between the pro-vax and the anti-vax controversy.”</p>
<p>No, I am not proving your point, I am not engaging in a pro-vax/anti-vax controversy.  My comments are about integrity or lack of it, and misleading people by fabricating findings in a report.</p>
<p>I will however take exception to your statement that “The reason for going for chelation, hyperbaric oxygen, B12 and other therapies is that there is nothing from the medical community to take its place.”  Do you actually feel that since the medical community has not found a “cure?” for autism, you are therefore required to pursue chelation?  I certainly hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not a very good reason then, if we can do it the honour of calling it a reason at all. I&#039;m always very dubious of approaches that view it as a case of medical intervention versus alt-med intervention, it&#039;s like the rest of the health care world doesn&#039;t exist at all.

Personally, I prefer the non-medical therapies from the non-medical community, but then I would as it&#039;s my area of study and my area of employment. Although that&#039;s not to say medicine should never be given to people with autism - insulin for an autistic diabetic is fine by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a very good reason then, if we can do it the honour of calling it a reason at all. I&#8217;m always very dubious of approaches that view it as a case of medical intervention versus alt-med intervention, it&#8217;s like the rest of the health care world doesn&#8217;t exist at all.</p>
<p>Personally, I prefer the non-medical therapies from the non-medical community, but then I would as it&#8217;s my area of study and my area of employment. Although that&#8217;s not to say medicine should never be given to people with autism &#8211; insulin for an autistic diabetic is fine by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really unfortunate thing is that after 60 years of knowing what autism is, the medical community has nothing significant to offer the autistic community.  The reason for going for chelation, hyperbaric oxygen, B12 and other therapies is that there is nothing from the medical community to take its place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really unfortunate thing is that after 60 years of knowing what autism is, the medical community has nothing significant to offer the autistic community.  The reason for going for chelation, hyperbaric oxygen, B12 and other therapies is that there is nothing from the medical community to take its place.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really unfortunate thing is the misguided fear that has spread among parents about vaccines, about what autism is, and about treatments, such as chelation (which I recently heard a mother say she had tried on her son, with the result that &quot;we almost lost him&quot;).

If my son had caught any of the diseases that he has been vaccinated against---measles, for instance---it would have been tremendously difficult for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really unfortunate thing is the misguided fear that has spread among parents about vaccines, about what autism is, and about treatments, such as chelation (which I recently heard a mother say she had tried on her son, with the result that &#8220;we almost lost him&#8221;).</p>
<p>If my son had caught any of the diseases that he has been vaccinated against&#8212;measles, for instance&#8212;it would have been tremendously difficult for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Another Voice,

You are proving my point.  There is medically useful information out there that is getting drowned in the animosity between the pro-vax and the anti-vax controversy.  Leakage of the blood-gut barrier and the blood-brain barrier is an example of such information.  Instead of asking how such information could be exploited for the benefit of our autistic children, we dwell on what to do about people like Wakefield.  The best we can do to people like him is to leave him to the authorities and let him fall into obscurity.  Otherwise he continues to be a destructive distraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Another Voice,</p>
<p>You are proving my point.  There is medically useful information out there that is getting drowned in the animosity between the pro-vax and the anti-vax controversy.  Leakage of the blood-gut barrier and the blood-brain barrier is an example of such information.  Instead of asking how such information could be exploited for the benefit of our autistic children, we dwell on what to do about people like Wakefield.  The best we can do to people like him is to leave him to the authorities and let him fall into obscurity.  Otherwise he continues to be a destructive distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PD, the delay only tells me that the medical community really does not want to find fault with any of their members.  In my experience I have been amazed by doctor&#039;s inability to self regulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PD, the delay only tells me that the medical community really does not want to find fault with any of their members.  In my experience I have been amazed by doctor&#8217;s inability to self regulate.</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Another Voice - 

&lt;i&gt;Ed, Wakefield has never been pilloried, for that matter he has never even had his wrist slapped. The medical community in England is just now, 10 years after the fact, getting around to determining if he should be reprimanded. &lt;/i&gt;

The medical establishment wants very, very badly to find him guilty of something, but is having a difficult time doing so.  This is why a trial took years to put together and will be ongoing for another year, at least.  If his crimes were so clear cut, this should be a simple matter.  That ought to tell you something.

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Another Voice &#8211; </p>
<p><i>Ed, Wakefield has never been pilloried, for that matter he has never even had his wrist slapped. The medical community in England is just now, 10 years after the fact, getting around to determining if he should be reprimanded. </i></p>
<p>The medical establishment wants very, very badly to find him guilty of something, but is having a difficult time doing so.  This is why a trial took years to put together and will be ongoing for another year, at least.  If his crimes were so clear cut, this should be a simple matter.  That ought to tell you something.</p>
<p>- pD</p>
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