Comments on: Metaphors, Mitochondria, and the MMR http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:52:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: This and Last’s Weeks Top Posts http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-549871 This and Last’s Weeks Top Posts Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:04:35 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-549871 [...] Metaphors, Mitochondria, and the MMR More and more on the case of Hannah Poling. [...] [...] Metaphors, Mitochondria, and the MMR More and more on the case of Hannah Poling. [...]

]]> By: larry http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-550183 larry Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:38:17 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-550183 That was one-sided and out of context Kristina. The article was written by ideologues. Here is a neutral biography: http://www.bookrags.com/biography/bruno-bettelheim/ Anyway, to Regina: Bettelheim wrote about precociousness at birth in "The Empty Fortress." You can buy it in paperback. Also, anyone who has read my posts around here will know I take issue with the encyclopedia article somewhat. Therefore I'm being fair I think in referring you to it. I could have referred you to a rosy adoring report on Bettelheim's life. There are some who admire him for refusing to knuckle under to pop neurology which insists that autism is a neurological disorder. Has anyone found a neurological test for it yet??? What's more, psychotherapy in the form of "Floor Time" seems to be having a definite healing effect. Anyway, there are many strange things about autism that finally make sense in light of Bettelheim's theories. These scarcely see the light of day anymore because of the damned politics of autism. Incidentally; I don't believe all autism is caused by mothers. And I don't know about Bettelheim in this respect. He would get enraged at his critics and make intemperate remarks--even publish such things--but in Empty Fortress and Truants From Life, he was generally cautious and agreed with Kanner that it was unknowable whether or not the coldness observed in some mothers was due to coping with an unresponsive child. That was one-sided and out of context Kristina. The article was written by ideologues. Here is a neutral biography:

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/bruno-bettelheim/

Anyway, to Regina: Bettelheim wrote about precociousness at birth in “The Empty Fortress.”
You can buy it in paperback.

Also, anyone who has read my posts around here will know I take issue with the encyclopedia article somewhat. Therefore I’m being fair I think in referring you to it. I could have referred you to a rosy adoring report on Bettelheim’s life. There are some who admire him for refusing to knuckle under to pop neurology which insists that autism is a neurological disorder.

Has anyone found a neurological test for it yet???

What’s more, psychotherapy in the form of “Floor Time” seems to be having a definite healing effect.

Anyway, there are many strange things about autism that finally make sense in light of Bettelheim’s theories. These scarcely see the light of day anymore because of the damned politics of autism.

Incidentally; I don’t believe all autism is caused by mothers. And I don’t know about Bettelheim in this respect. He would get enraged at his critics and make intemperate remarks–even publish such things–but in Empty Fortress and Truants From Life, he was generally cautious and agreed with Kanner that it was unknowable whether or not the coldness observed in some mothers was due to coping with an unresponsive child.

]]> By: Emily http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-544906 Emily Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:39:25 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-544906 Norah, that's a pretty funny story, and the same thing happens here. The baby is the youngest of three brothers, and the other two will often join in the circle running, which makes the baby think he's totally in charge. There's just something irresistible about a circle. Norah, that’s a pretty funny story, and the same thing happens here. The baby is the youngest of three brothers, and the other two will often join in the circle running, which makes the baby think he’s totally in charge. There’s just something irresistible about a circle.

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-547587 Kristina Chew, PhD Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:01:06 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-547587 @ Regina, A little information on Bettelheim here: http://unstrange.com/bettelheim.html @ Regina,

A little information on Bettelheim here:

http://unstrange.com/bettelheim.html

]]> By: Norah http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-547682 Norah Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:05:37 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-547682 My brother did the running in circles, hours on end. We all thought it looked pretty fun so we joined in. After a while he started realising people were participating or copying him so he started purposefully doing things like extending one arm, to see us both (3 kids, he is the youngest) doing it too. It developed into a real game, but he kept running in circles on his own too. We also did a lot of spinning in circles. Much fun was had by all. My brother did the running in circles, hours on end. We all thought it looked pretty fun so we joined in. After a while he started realising people were participating or copying him so he started purposefully doing things like extending one arm, to see us both (3 kids, he is the youngest) doing it too. It developed into a real game, but he kept running in circles on his own too. We also did a lot of spinning in circles. Much fun was had by all.

]]> By: Regina http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-547681 Regina Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:00:12 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-547681 Mispelled..."intelligence in his eyes" Mispelled…”intelligence in his eyes”

]]> By: Regina http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-547680 Regina Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:59:07 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-547680 Larry, I found that bit of information very interesting and would like to know exactly where you found that at. Who is Bettelheim? My oldest grandson who is 3 and has Asperger was a wide awake newborn. We have video tape of him not even 24 hours old stretched out in his mom's arms looking around at us and at the video camera with an amazing amount of intelligene in his eyes. It was an awesome experience. It may sound strange but it felt like he already knew us and that he was "older" than newborn. Larry, I found that bit of information very interesting and would like to know exactly where you found that at. Who is Bettelheim? My oldest grandson who is 3 and has Asperger was a wide awake newborn. We have video tape of him not even 24 hours old stretched out in his mom’s arms looking around at us and at the video camera with an amazing amount of intelligene in his eyes. It was an awesome experience. It may sound strange but it felt like he already knew us and that he was “older” than newborn.

]]> By: Emily http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-550089 Emily Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:13:48 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-550089 Kristina, our youngest walked at ~13-14 months. He didn't run until about 15 months. That's when the circle running started. The oddest occasion of that was when a woman who was a stranger to him came to visit. He suddenly fired up and started running and did it the entire time she was at our house. It was pretty odd. Now, he has epic meltdowns if a strange person is too near him. Kristina, our youngest walked at ~13-14 months. He didn’t run until about 15 months. That’s when the circle running started. The oddest occasion of that was when a woman who was a stranger to him came to visit. He suddenly fired up and started running and did it the entire time she was at our house. It was pretty odd. Now, he has epic meltdowns if a strange person is too near him.

]]> By: larry http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-550057 larry Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:30:16 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-550057 Hi B: You wrote: "Hindsight is now 20/20 for me. My girl was clearly born wide-eyed, uncrying, unresponsive to anything, which is pretty much how it’s been now for many years. I personally never saw ‘regression.’ " Did you know that Bettelheim theorized that precociouis babies--babies born with their eyes open--are prone to autism? The reason is that they experience the birth trauma without a safe mode. The horror of it makes them wish to return to the womb. In my own experience, I have never met a supergenius who isn't at least a wee bit autistic. Your child may not act like a genius, but I'll bet she has an amazing inner life. I assume you read Kristina's item on Amanda Baggs... Hi B:
You wrote:
“Hindsight is now 20/20 for me. My girl was clearly born wide-eyed, uncrying, unresponsive to anything, which is pretty much how it’s been now for many years. I personally never saw ‘regression.’ ”

Did you know that Bettelheim theorized that precociouis babies–babies born with their eyes open–are prone to autism? The reason is that they experience the birth trauma without a safe mode. The horror of it makes them wish to return to the womb.

In my own experience, I have never met a supergenius who isn’t at least a wee bit autistic.

Your child may not act like a genius, but I’ll bet she has an amazing inner life. I assume you read Kristina’s item on Amanda Baggs…

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/comment-page-1/#comment-547506 Kristina Chew, PhD Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:33:44 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/metaphors-mitochondria-and-the-mmr/#comment-547506 Charlie had plenty of responses but (in hindsight) not in the "typical" ways. Always looked slantwise out of the corners of his eyes. Always liked being held and carried and attended too. Could stare at a sunbeam or a page in a book for hours. Always had interested hyper episodes (especially after eating). Charlie had plenty of responses but (in hindsight) not in the “typical” ways. Always looked slantwise out of the corners of his eyes. Always liked being held and carried and attended too. Could stare at a sunbeam or a page in a book for hours. Always had interested hyper episodes (especially after eating).

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