Comments on: Old and New Reporting on Vaccines and Autism: Pro, Con, Myth http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:04:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: debbie http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-538379 debbie Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:34:32 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-538379 I find it hard to believe that vaccines cause autism. Thimerosal was present in vaccines between 1930 and 1999 yet autism is more prevelant than ever before. Why? My 4 year old autistic son was vacinated 4 years after thimerosal was removed explain that? I think autisim is more likely a genetic trait. I truly think my husband is autistic and was never officially diagnosed. Looking back now, my son showed signs of autisim at birth before the vaccines, he rarely ever made eye contact or liked to be held for long periods of time. I find it hard to believe that vaccines cause autism. Thimerosal was present in vaccines between 1930 and 1999 yet autism is more prevelant than ever before. Why? My 4 year old autistic son was vacinated 4 years after thimerosal was removed explain that? I think autisim is more likely a genetic trait. I truly think my husband is autistic and was never officially diagnosed. Looking back now, my son showed signs of autisim at birth before the vaccines, he rarely ever made eye contact or liked to be held for long periods of time.

]]> By: Book Review–White Lies: A Tale of Babies, Vaccines, and Deception http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-538312 Book Review–White Lies: A Tale of Babies, Vaccines, and Deception Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:30:30 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-538312 [...] light of the current autism epidemic in the US and the growing link between autism and childhood vaccines, Honenberger believes that parent education about vaccines is more critical now than ever before. [...] [...] light of the current autism epidemic in the US and the growing link between autism and childhood vaccines, Honenberger believes that parent education about vaccines is more critical now than ever before. [...]

]]> By: tealblue http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537808 tealblue Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:26:28 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537808 Not sure if I believe the theory about Mercury however, Autism has hit across varied demographic and economic populations so much that it appears to me that this could be random process variability within the vaccination's manufacturing and/or clinical implementation processes. Could the variation in the process by which the syringes were created in the clinic or back at the manufacuturer produced some batches or vials that had slight more mercury and some with slightly less? Could it be that our children were the unlucky 1 of 166 that received these higher than average doses? Something to think about as I have seen many processes that yield uneven results. This is the basis behind Deming's theory and seems that it could apply here. In plain terms, perhaps the nurse making the syringe didn't shake the mulit-dose vial or spin it properly to yield the correct amount of thimerisol that day. If anyone knows more details about the process please feel free to comment. Not sure if I believe the theory about Mercury however, Autism has hit across varied demographic and economic populations so much that it appears to me that this could be random process variability within the vaccination’s manufacturing and/or clinical implementation processes.

Could the variation in the process by which the syringes were created in the clinic or back at the manufacuturer produced some batches or vials that had slight more mercury and some with slightly less?

Could it be that our children were the unlucky 1 of 166 that received these higher than average doses?

Something to think about as I have seen many processes that yield uneven results. This is the basis behind Deming’s theory and seems that it could apply here.

In plain terms, perhaps the nurse making the syringe didn’t shake the mulit-dose vial or spin it properly to yield the correct amount of thimerisol that day.

If anyone knows more details about the process please feel free to comment.

]]> By: emily http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537833 emily Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:41:04 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537833 It's a totalizing belief system, I think, Joseph--sort of like psychoanalysis. If you're not progressing, it's b/c your body hasn't flushed out the toxins yet, or they're hiding out in tissue somewhere; if you are progressing, it's b/c of the chelation/diet/whatever. It’s a totalizing belief system, I think, Joseph–sort of like psychoanalysis. If you’re not progressing, it’s b/c your body hasn’t flushed out the toxins yet, or they’re hiding out in tissue somewhere; if you are progressing, it’s b/c of the chelation/diet/whatever.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537851 Chuck Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:33:12 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537851 Joseph, I do not know you well enough to believe your opinions. So the best either one of us will be able to do is agree to disagree. Joseph,

I do not know you well enough to believe your opinions. So the best either one of us will be able to do is agree to disagree.

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537871 Kristina Chew, PhD Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:20:18 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537871 Mercury poisoning is one thing; perhaps it is a comorbidity in a subset of autistic children. But to equate it with autism as Olmsted has so consistently done----with so little recognition of and reference to what it is like to be with autistic children and persons----has not helped understanding of autism. But it has helped me to think about how parents feel when confronte with an autism diagnosis. Mercury poisoning is one thing; perhaps it is a comorbidity in a subset of autistic children. But to equate it with autism as Olmsted has so consistently done—-with so little recognition of and reference to what it is like to be with autistic children and persons—-has not helped understanding of autism.

But it has helped me to think about how parents feel when confronte with an autism diagnosis.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537886 Joseph Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:30:13 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537886 "There was a study done showing that anyone who received a flu vaccine for 5 consecutive years had a 10X higher chance of developing Alzheimers." I do not believe this is true. "A different study showed there was positve results in IQ with Chelation treatment." I do not believe this is true either. There was a study in rats that found the opposite. Several studies with lead-exposed children have found no effect. "http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20031215/chelation-therapy-ease-alzheimers" That's an article about a study. I haven't read the study to be able to make a judgement about methodology. There was a similar prior finding, but it was a single-blind study only. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8122302&query_hl=28&itool=pubmed_DocSum “There was a study done showing that anyone who received a flu vaccine for 5 consecutive years had a 10X higher chance of developing Alzheimers.”

I do not believe this is true.

“A different study showed there was positve results in IQ with Chelation treatment.”

I do not believe this is true either. There was a study in rats that found the opposite. Several studies with lead-exposed children have found no effect.

“http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20031215/chelation-therapy-ease-alzheimers”

That’s an article about a study. I haven’t read the study to be able to make a judgement about methodology. There was a similar prior finding, but it was a single-blind study only.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8122302&query_hl=28&itool=pubmed_DocSum

]]> By: daedalus2u http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537893 daedalus2u Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:44:08 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537893 There is absolutely no indication of any dose-response in mercury and autism. None at all. There most definately is in lead exposure and IQ loss. There is absolutely no indication of any dose-response in mercury and autism. None at all. There most definately is in lead exposure and IQ loss.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537895 Chuck Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:01:39 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537895 There was a study done showing that anyone who received a flu vaccine for 5 consecutive years had a 10X higher chance of developing Alzheimers. A different study showed there was positve results in IQ with Chelation treatment. http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20031215/chelation-therapy-ease-alzheimers There was a study done showing that anyone who received a flu vaccine for 5 consecutive years had a 10X higher chance of developing Alzheimers.

A different study showed there was positve results in IQ with Chelation treatment.

http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20031215/chelation-therapy-ease-alzheimers

]]> By: Joseph http://www.blisstree.com/articles/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-537905 Joseph Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:48:48 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/old-and-new-reporting-on-vaccines-and-autism-pro-con-myth/#comment-537905 Sufficiently significant exposure to heavy metals will clearly result in brain damage and even death in some cases. (That's regardless of whether the ecological meta-study passionlessDrone cited really looked at all possible confounds and so on). It's not clear why passionlessDrone wants to make the debate about something everyone agrees on. Well, no, it is pretty clear. I think he's making a point about the "low level" of lead exposure. I would note that 10 micrograms/dL is not the same as 10 micrograms exposure total. That's a level in blood that is sustained despite excretion and so forth. It is highly doubtful that thimerosal from vaccines would cause any IQ loss. (I'm not even arguing autism). Sufficiently significant exposure to heavy metals will clearly result in brain damage and even death in some cases. (That’s regardless of whether the ecological meta-study passionlessDrone cited really looked at all possible confounds and so on). It’s not clear why passionlessDrone wants to make the debate about something everyone agrees on. Well, no, it is pretty clear.

I think he’s making a point about the “low level” of lead exposure. I would note that 10 micrograms/dL is not the same as 10 micrograms exposure total. That’s a level in blood that is sustained despite excretion and so forth.

It is highly doubtful that thimerosal from vaccines would cause any IQ loss. (I’m not even arguing autism).

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