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		<title>By: Tracee</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/pastoral-input-elections-28/comment-page-1/#comment-9295</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be talking about that church. And they LOVE Hagee, I&#039;m sure, and that guy is scary. 

No holy wars for me please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be talking about that church. And they LOVE Hagee, I&#8217;m sure, and that guy is scary. </p>
<p>No holy wars for me please.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/pastoral-input-elections-28/comment-page-1/#comment-9403</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracee,

You couldn&#039;t possibly be talking about my old church.  :)  

I think there has been a certain uproar about Hagee.  Not nearly as much as the Wright controversy, though.  I find Hagee particularly disturbing considering I remember watching him on tv as a child.  (Not by choice, obviously.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracee,</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t possibly be talking about my old church.  <img src='http://www.blisstree.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I think there has been a certain uproar about Hagee.  Not nearly as much as the Wright controversy, though.  I find Hagee particularly disturbing considering I remember watching him on tv as a child.  (Not by choice, obviously.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/pastoral-input-elections-28/comment-page-1/#comment-9402</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just rounded up all the people who I agree with 100% of the time and all the people who want to take responsibility for what I say on Blog Fabulous and So Sioux Me. 

Here I sit - alone. No friends, family, pastors, or fans left. Hummm. 

(I saw him denounce what Wright said weeks ago on The View.At least to my satisfaction.)

 I don&#039;t like what they did to Geraldine Ferraro either. 

Still want to see an EQUAL media uproar about McCain&#039;s connection with Hagee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just rounded up all the people who I agree with 100% of the time and all the people who want to take responsibility for what I say on Blog Fabulous and So Sioux Me. </p>
<p>Here I sit &#8211; alone. No friends, family, pastors, or fans left. Hummm. </p>
<p>(I saw him denounce what Wright said weeks ago on The View.At least to my satisfaction.)</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t like what they did to Geraldine Ferraro either. </p>
<p>Still want to see an EQUAL media uproar about McCain&#8217;s connection with Hagee.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/pastoral-input-elections-28/comment-page-1/#comment-9413</link>
		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I&#039;ll STILL vote for him if he is the nominee.  This is one mistake, and I think it was a mistake, but I believe Obama is a good man who can do great things for our country.  Whatevs, Hill has made some mistakes also.

It made me feel much better when Obama finally denounced Wright today.  About time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I&#8217;ll STILL vote for him if he is the nominee.  This is one mistake, and I think it was a mistake, but I believe Obama is a good man who can do great things for our country.  Whatevs, Hill has made some mistakes also.</p>
<p>It made me feel much better when Obama finally denounced Wright today.  About time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No really. 

The church we went to was shockingly misogynistic. So much so that it took me a long time to believe that they were daring to even say the crap they said. I didn&#039;t do nothing. I talked to the pastors and what not to confirm that they really were saying what I thought the were saying. Sometimes I spoke up. But most of the time I sat there SEETHING. Arguing with my husband about whether we should stay there or not. 

You can&#039;t argue with people who believe God&#039;s on their side. That&#039;s one thing I&#039;ve learned by living in the Deep South - don&#039;t engage the religious crazies. There&#039;s no point. 

People have a right to go to church for cultural reasons - Theology is beside the point for many people. 

Aside from that, I didn&#039;t find Wrights comments nearly as alarming or anti-American as I find Hagee&#039;s beliefs and comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No really. </p>
<p>The church we went to was shockingly misogynistic. So much so that it took me a long time to believe that they were daring to even say the crap they said. I didn&#8217;t do nothing. I talked to the pastors and what not to confirm that they really were saying what I thought the were saying. Sometimes I spoke up. But most of the time I sat there SEETHING. Arguing with my husband about whether we should stay there or not. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t argue with people who believe God&#8217;s on their side. That&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve learned by living in the Deep South &#8211; don&#8217;t engage the religious crazies. There&#8217;s no point. </p>
<p>People have a right to go to church for cultural reasons &#8211; Theology is beside the point for many people. </p>
<p>Aside from that, I didn&#8217;t find Wrights comments nearly as alarming or anti-American as I find Hagee&#8217;s beliefs and comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he&#039;s gone in an extreme direction lately maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he&#8217;s gone in an extreme direction lately maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also the relationship was WAY closer than pastor and congregate.  Obama names Wright as his personal mentor and one of the most influential people in his life.  He married the Obamas and is the godfather to their two children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the relationship was WAY closer than pastor and congregate.  Obama names Wright as his personal mentor and one of the most influential people in his life.  He married the Obamas and is the godfather to their two children.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s good you didn&#039;t grow up in Nazi Germany or the Deep South then!  

I think many of those people stayed quiet for the same reasons.  For tradition. For community. To keep peace with loved ones. Because it was socially expected of them.

I&#039;m not judging him on the remarks of his pastor.  I&#039;m judging him on his actions.  They were a mistake in my opinion.  He thinks so also going by the speech he made earlier today.

And I don&#039;t believe you.  If your pastor stood up on Sunday and said that all girls should not be educated past 7th grade or should start wearing burkas, you would be out the door even if it meant you had no religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s good you didn&#8217;t grow up in Nazi Germany or the Deep South then!  </p>
<p>I think many of those people stayed quiet for the same reasons.  For tradition. For community. To keep peace with loved ones. Because it was socially expected of them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not judging him on the remarks of his pastor.  I&#8217;m judging him on his actions.  They were a mistake in my opinion.  He thinks so also going by the speech he made earlier today.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t believe you.  If your pastor stood up on Sunday and said that all girls should not be educated past 7th grade or should start wearing burkas, you would be out the door even if it meant you had no religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think anyone would be hard pressed to find another human being - let alone a pastor - who we agree with totally when it comes to spiritual things.  God made us different, talks to us individually and leads us from place to place, which leads to different experiences.  I think most of us just find the best fit we can.  Once you have children and a family you might go to a church for the awesome Sunday school program, you might go there to appease family - or you might go there to &#039;Gasp&#039; be with God.. No other person on the planet - or their views- can stop me from doing that no matter what the name of building is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anyone would be hard pressed to find another human being &#8211; let alone a pastor &#8211; who we agree with totally when it comes to spiritual things.  God made us different, talks to us individually and leads us from place to place, which leads to different experiences.  I think most of us just find the best fit we can.  Once you have children and a family you might go to a church for the awesome Sunday school program, you might go there to appease family &#8211; or you might go there to &#8216;Gasp&#8217; be with God.. No other person on the planet &#8211; or their views- can stop me from doing that no matter what the name of building is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracee</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/pastoral-input-elections-28/comment-page-1/#comment-9424</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I think it shows lack of character and judgement.&quot;

I guess I&#039;m taking this statement personally. Myself and lots of other people sit in churches where they do not agree with its leaders. They do it for tradition. They do it for community. They do it to keep peace with loved ones. They do it because it&#039;s socially expected of them. 

I do it because there is no church on the planet that is aligned with my religious beliefs. 

Participation in a Church is incredibly important to my husband, and therefore the peace in our marriage. 

It pisses me off to be held to this arbitrary standard of &quot;character and judgement.&quot; Show me the church or the pastor who shares my religious views and I&#039;ll sit there - as it stands that Church just doesn&#039;t exist. 

I&#039;m not taking responsibility for the words out of anyone else&#039;s mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I think it shows lack of character and judgement.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m taking this statement personally. Myself and lots of other people sit in churches where they do not agree with its leaders. They do it for tradition. They do it for community. They do it to keep peace with loved ones. They do it because it&#8217;s socially expected of them. </p>
<p>I do it because there is no church on the planet that is aligned with my religious beliefs. </p>
<p>Participation in a Church is incredibly important to my husband, and therefore the peace in our marriage. </p>
<p>It pisses me off to be held to this arbitrary standard of &#8220;character and judgement.&#8221; Show me the church or the pastor who shares my religious views and I&#8217;ll sit there &#8211; as it stands that Church just doesn&#8217;t exist. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not taking responsibility for the words out of anyone else&#8217;s mouths.</p>
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