Comments on: Peace, Partnership and Brotherhood

By: Quibbling Over Exact Wording

Quibbling Over Exact Wording — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:57:11 +0000

[...] Thanks Namenlosen – I love the words especially “quibbling.” [...]

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:02:05 +0000

Namenlosen, I hadn’t seen that post and there are enough similarities there that it is very scary. I hope that person is ok…

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:00:42 +0000

Argument? We have ceased fighting anything or anyone… yes, I believe you’ve misunderstood that part of it dAAve

dAAve is close though to the rest – what I’m saying, sarcastically (which might be why dAAve understands), is there are people in A.A. who “profess” to be recovering by their words in meetings yet their actions outside the rooms prove otherwise and prove it distinctly, which, imho, probably means they’re either not really alcoholics or not real alcoholics, or just plain simple liars…

By: Namenlosen Trinker

Namenlosen Trinker — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:40:38 +0000

No, I’m probably misunderstanding. You said, “Makes me wonder whether there might be people in A.A. who aren’t real alcoholics after all,” in which I understood “alcoholics” to refer to both recovered and unrecovered ones. But I can see in context that you must have been referring only to “recovered” alcoholics, since otherwise the doesn’t make sense.

I’m pretty sure we’re in agreement. I’m just quibbling over the exact wording, which is one of my long-standing and hard-to-rid-myself-of defects of character.

By: dAAve

dAAve — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:16:19 +0000

Just because they are not practicing these principles in all their affairs does not necessarily mean they aren’t alcoholics.
If I am reading this argument correctly, you are confusing alcoholism with recovery from alcoholism.

Or am I misunderstanding?

By: Namenlosen Trinker

Namenlosen Trinker — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:57:19 +0000

Hi Mark,

I’d still call the vast majority of them alcoholics, but I see your point. It’s the same one I’m making when I quote what I’ve heard: There’s a lot of untreated alcoholism in the rooms of A.A. To see a kind of ultimate example of what you’re referring to, read the post at http://kickinitmymonkey.blogspot.com/2007/08/time-to-start-freeing-ghosts.html if you haven’t already seen it.

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:22:44 +0000

Hi Namenlosen,

I put it all together because I see, in real life, people who have no conscience, hurting others in the “real” world then “preaching” spirituality and kindness towards others in the rooms of A.A. Same people, different reality dependent upon the location.

Although it can “hide” itself for a short time outside the rooms of A.A., the disease is very consistent and can’t stand going unnoticed for long. I’ve seen it before and that’s how I can see it now.

By: Namenlosen Trinker

Namenlosen Trinker — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:09:48 +0000

“Do you think that without this survey and the knowledge of what we have done, we are doomed to repeat it?”

Absolutely. Even with this survey and the knowledge of what I have done, I still sometimes find myself repeating these destructive behaviors.

Might there be people in A.A. who aren’t real alcoholics after all? Yes, I believe there are people in A.A. who are not real alcoholics. But I’m not sure I follow how you got to this conclusion from the quotes that precede it. Care to enlighten me a little further?