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		<title>By: Sickened &#171; Stuff With Thing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sickened &#171; Stuff With Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] herself in one interview can not decide if her son is recovered, undiagnosed, diagnosed or what (link).   Yet there she is out in the public face screaming about vaccines causing autism.  She needs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] herself in one interview can not decide if her son is recovered, undiagnosed, diagnosed or what (link).   Yet there she is out in the public face screaming about vaccines causing autism.  She needs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Discussing Autism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jenny, Can an Autistic Child Really be &#8220;Undiagnosed&#8221;?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discussing Autism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jenny, Can an Autistic Child Really be &#8220;Undiagnosed&#8221;?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] selling book that states her child has autism. She says that he has recovered. Then she says he is undiagnosed. Some doctors say he never had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] selling book that states her child has autism. She says that he has recovered. Then she says he is undiagnosed. Some doctors say he never had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DIY Chelation: Not Recommended</title>
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		<dc:creator>DIY Chelation: Not Recommended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out of a child&#8217;s system, that child can start to &#8220;heal&#8221; and even &#8220;recover&#8221; from autism. But chelation has more than a few risks; and at least one autistic child has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out of a child&#8217;s system, that child can start to &#8220;heal&#8221; and even &#8220;recover&#8221; from autism. But chelation has more than a few risks; and at least one autistic child has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly Emily, I have just begun reading &quot;a friend like henry&quot; by Nuala Gardner.In it she mentions how difficult it was to get a diagnosis of autism for her son Dale.

Many ped&#039;s psych&#039;s and MD&#039;s were dismissive of her and her concerns. Some even blamed Nuala and her husband for  Dale&#039;s behaviour.Not one was listening to Nuala,  herself  a professional.

 Even the &quot;refrigerator mother&quot; theory was bandied about by one doctor!

 The common thread here, appeared to be lack of understanding and empathy, on the part of the doctors&#039;, with pre conceived notions that resulted in closed minds from these so-called professionals.
 In short they completely disregarded(the experiences and opinions of) and mis-read the mother and her motives.(There was also an inference of munchausen syndrome)

 Nuala Says:
&quot;Finally with Dale aged 3 years and 11 months, after 16 months,and appointments with thirteen different professionals, a diagnosis was made: Dale had classical autism:&quot;
What that poor woman endured. Her grit and determination to help her son knew no bounds, she was on the brink of despair, until finally she found a voice of reason in  Professor Newson  at a child development centre. She was an &quot;autism expert.&quot;

 Finally Dale and his family would get the help that was so desperately needed!

Indeed, Emily, the old saying &quot;It pays to shop around&quot; certainly rings true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly Emily, I have just begun reading &#8220;a friend like henry&#8221; by Nuala Gardner.In it she mentions how difficult it was to get a diagnosis of autism for her son Dale.</p>
<p>Many ped&#8217;s psych&#8217;s and MD&#8217;s were dismissive of her and her concerns. Some even blamed Nuala and her husband for  Dale&#8217;s behaviour.Not one was listening to Nuala,  herself  a professional.</p>
<p> Even the &#8220;refrigerator mother&#8221; theory was bandied about by one doctor!</p>
<p> The common thread here, appeared to be lack of understanding and empathy, on the part of the doctors&#8217;, with pre conceived notions that resulted in closed minds from these so-called professionals.<br />
 In short they completely disregarded(the experiences and opinions of) and mis-read the mother and her motives.(There was also an inference of munchausen syndrome)</p>
<p> Nuala Says:<br />
&#8220;Finally with Dale aged 3 years and 11 months, after 16 months,and appointments with thirteen different professionals, a diagnosis was made: Dale had classical autism:&#8221;<br />
What that poor woman endured. Her grit and determination to help her son knew no bounds, she was on the brink of despair, until finally she found a voice of reason in  Professor Newson  at a child development centre. She was an &#8220;autism expert.&#8221;</p>
<p> Finally Dale and his family would get the help that was so desperately needed!</p>
<p>Indeed, Emily, the old saying &#8220;It pays to shop around&#8221; certainly rings true.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s just me, but the sally in this thread might be a nutshell version of some of the issues. 

As far as that listening to people thing that Kristina alluded to, I went to a DAN presentation once and the guy there was definitely &quot;hearing your pain&quot;. For some reason it did not make much of an impression on me; I don&#039;t know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me, but the sally in this thread might be a nutshell version of some of the issues. </p>
<p>As far as that listening to people thing that Kristina alluded to, I went to a DAN presentation once and the guy there was definitely &#8220;hearing your pain&#8221;. For some reason it did not make much of an impression on me; I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think UNCDoc needs a &quot;voice of authority&quot; emoticon.  Something like a smiley, only more serious. Scary, even. Something that means &quot;you can&#039;t question me any further&quot;. For I am more important and smarter and stronger than you and don&#039;t even have to marshall an argument for my position, because you are too puny and weak to deserve one.

Warren
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think UNCDoc needs a &#8220;voice of authority&#8221; emoticon.  Something like a smiley, only more serious. Scary, even. Something that means &#8220;you can&#8217;t question me any further&#8221;. For I am more important and smarter and stronger than you and don&#8217;t even have to marshall an argument for my position, because you are too puny and weak to deserve one.</p>
<p>Warren<br />
[Aspie in Toronto]</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, you&#039;re not &quot;engaging in a conversation here,&quot; you&#039;re engaging in some kind of overbearance competition, and you&#039;re obviously used to having the doctoral last word in everything you do, hence these little &quot;out&quot; and &quot;the end&quot; codas to your posts. This isn&#039;t a stage play. You don&#039;t have to exit stage left when you&#039;re finished, Drama Queen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, you&#8217;re not &#8220;engaging in a conversation here,&#8221; you&#8217;re engaging in some kind of overbearance competition, and you&#8217;re obviously used to having the doctoral last word in everything you do, hence these little &#8220;out&#8221; and &#8220;the end&#8221; codas to your posts. This isn&#8217;t a stage play. You don&#8217;t have to exit stage left when you&#8217;re finished, Drama Queen.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a foul keyboard, bub. Not mouth.

Of course, I don&#039;t have experience with you and don&#039;t know you. All I know is what you&#039;ve presented here in reply to a couple of posts I&#039;ve made on this comment thread. That&#039;s how you present yourself.  That&#039;s how you come across. It doesn&#039;t mean that I need a therapist, but your casual reference to that again illustrates exactly the point I&#039;ve been making about dismissive doctors.

I do have chips on my shoulder, but they don&#039;t relate to doctors. I do clinical and basic research. I have a PhD in biomedical sciences. My friends and colleagues are MDs. Three of my childrens godparents are MDs. And these folks discuss this kind of thing with me without getting hyperdefensive about it. I can mention it to them without getting their MD feathers ruffled. Perhaps that is because I chose my MD friends and colleagues as well as I choose my MDs for personal healthcare. And this difference in their response vs yours appears to highlight your attitude, and that light&#039;s not flattering.

If you ever visit any of my colleagues at UCSF, let me know. I&#039;ll be sure to warn them. 

FYI: You really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about patients. You don&#039;t necessarily need a therapist, but can you find a good CME re: patient-doctor interactions? You need it. And you do come across as &quot;filled&quot; with disgust for patient populations in general, and you appear to have a hair-trigger response to the mildest criticism, so your accusations that I&#039;m hypersensitive (I am, sometimes, about some things) or that I&#039;m &quot;hate filled&quot; (I&#039;m not, at all, and funny you take issue with my Anglo-Saxonisms but feel that it&#039;s OK to call me that) are a simple matter of seeing your own reflection in what I write here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a foul keyboard, bub. Not mouth.</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t have experience with you and don&#8217;t know you. All I know is what you&#8217;ve presented here in reply to a couple of posts I&#8217;ve made on this comment thread. That&#8217;s how you present yourself.  That&#8217;s how you come across. It doesn&#8217;t mean that I need a therapist, but your casual reference to that again illustrates exactly the point I&#8217;ve been making about dismissive doctors.</p>
<p>I do have chips on my shoulder, but they don&#8217;t relate to doctors. I do clinical and basic research. I have a PhD in biomedical sciences. My friends and colleagues are MDs. Three of my childrens godparents are MDs. And these folks discuss this kind of thing with me without getting hyperdefensive about it. I can mention it to them without getting their MD feathers ruffled. Perhaps that is because I chose my MD friends and colleagues as well as I choose my MDs for personal healthcare. And this difference in their response vs yours appears to highlight your attitude, and that light&#8217;s not flattering.</p>
<p>If you ever visit any of my colleagues at UCSF, let me know. I&#8217;ll be sure to warn them. </p>
<p>FYI: You really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder about patients. You don&#8217;t necessarily need a therapist, but can you find a good CME re: patient-doctor interactions? You need it. And you do come across as &#8220;filled&#8221; with disgust for patient populations in general, and you appear to have a hair-trigger response to the mildest criticism, so your accusations that I&#8217;m hypersensitive (I am, sometimes, about some things) or that I&#8217;m &#8220;hate filled&#8221; (I&#8217;m not, at all, and funny you take issue with my Anglo-Saxonisms but feel that it&#8217;s OK to call me that) are a simple matter of seeing your own reflection in what I write here.</p>
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		<title>By: UNCDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>UNCDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To question my work with the pediatric population is laughable.  Clearly you don&#039;t know me nor have had any experience with me at the bedside.  It is clear that you you have a gigantic chip on your shoulder (not to mention a foul mouth), and I am not going to continue to engage in conversation with someone so clearly filled with hatred and hypersensitivity.  
This is why message boards are often so foolish -- I guess I&#039;ve learned my lesson. If you are in NC sometime, I would suggest a couple therapists for you....
The End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To question my work with the pediatric population is laughable.  Clearly you don&#8217;t know me nor have had any experience with me at the bedside.  It is clear that you you have a gigantic chip on your shoulder (not to mention a foul mouth), and I am not going to continue to engage in conversation with someone so clearly filled with hatred and hypersensitivity.<br />
This is why message boards are often so foolish &#8212; I guess I&#8217;ve learned my lesson. If you are in NC sometime, I would suggest a couple therapists for you&#8230;.<br />
The End.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And... Emily scores a slam dunk!
(Sorry guys, I couldn&#039;t resist.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; Emily scores a slam dunk!<br />
(Sorry guys, I couldn&#8217;t resist.)</p>
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