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		<title>By: Recovered, Diagnosed, Undiagnosed&#8230;..</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/recovered-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-557025</link>
		<dc:creator>Recovered, Diagnosed, Undiagnosed&#8230;..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Sunday I posted about whether or not Jenny Mccarthy&#8217;s son is recovered or not. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On Sunday I posted about whether or not Jenny Mccarthy&#8217;s son is recovered or not. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: S.L.</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/recovered-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-548082</link>
		<dc:creator>S.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristina, thanks for the link!  I really would not be surprised, after gathering the information I posted, that Jenny&#039;s son has something other than autism (and NOT &quot;vaccine injury,&quot; in case anyone is wondering!!).  People have called me a few choice names for those posts--but I did it if for nothing else but to spark conversation.  

I have known parents whose children &quot;lose&quot; their autism label.  Typically it will move from &quot;autism&quot; to &quot;PDD-NOS&quot; or &quot;asperger&#039;s&quot; or even &quot;ADHD&quot; or &quot;bipolar.&quot;  None of these parents attributed the shift in label to a &quot;recovery.&quot;  It was simply that as the child got older, their features changed, and therefore the child (or then teen) fit into another diagnosis.  This does  not seem to be what Jenny is talking about however--she claims there is nothing going on with Evan other than seizures (and, some very serious seizures at that), and in one interview brief mention of &quot;auditory issues.&quot;

There is no solid definition of &quot;recovery.&quot;  Is a child who at age 2 received an autism diagnosis who then is diagnosed instead with bipolar or PDD-NOS at age 7, are they recovered?  If a nonverbal child becomes verbal--is that recovery?  Recovery is in the eye of the beholder.  And, I would say that what some dramatically tout as &quot;recovery,&quot; many of us here would simply call &quot;progress&quot; or &quot;change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristina, thanks for the link!  I really would not be surprised, after gathering the information I posted, that Jenny&#8217;s son has something other than autism (and NOT &#8220;vaccine injury,&#8221; in case anyone is wondering!!).  People have called me a few choice names for those posts&#8211;but I did it if for nothing else but to spark conversation.  </p>
<p>I have known parents whose children &#8220;lose&#8221; their autism label.  Typically it will move from &#8220;autism&#8221; to &#8220;PDD-NOS&#8221; or &#8220;asperger&#8217;s&#8221; or even &#8220;ADHD&#8221; or &#8220;bipolar.&#8221;  None of these parents attributed the shift in label to a &#8220;recovery.&#8221;  It was simply that as the child got older, their features changed, and therefore the child (or then teen) fit into another diagnosis.  This does  not seem to be what Jenny is talking about however&#8211;she claims there is nothing going on with Evan other than seizures (and, some very serious seizures at that), and in one interview brief mention of &#8220;auditory issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no solid definition of &#8220;recovery.&#8221;  Is a child who at age 2 received an autism diagnosis who then is diagnosed instead with bipolar or PDD-NOS at age 7, are they recovered?  If a nonverbal child becomes verbal&#8211;is that recovery?  Recovery is in the eye of the beholder.  And, I would say that what some dramatically tout as &#8220;recovery,&#8221; many of us here would simply call &#8220;progress&#8221; or &#8220;change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/recovered-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-548213</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course everyone is glad when a child is doing well and is happy.

Eleanor was diagnosed with severe autism. Probably, she would not qualify as HFA (a term I do not like, as I do not like any of the qualifying terms because of how they are used in public discourse.)
If laughing, kissing, hugging, saying &quot;I love you&quot;, and smiling (I&#039;ll throw that one in for free) qualify as &quot;recovered&quot;, then she&#039;s &quot;recovered&quot;. She talks a little and it is difficult, but her expression and eyes speak volumes. She still has autism. 

The specific definitions and diagnoses do matter if one is holding forth as an authority, making claims, promoting specific therapies and asking for changes in public health policy. I&#039;ve been around long enough to have heard many things speculated as a &quot;cause&quot; of autism or a &quot;cure&quot;. At this point, a celebrity or talk show host&#039;s imprimateur is not quite enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course everyone is glad when a child is doing well and is happy.</p>
<p>Eleanor was diagnosed with severe autism. Probably, she would not qualify as HFA (a term I do not like, as I do not like any of the qualifying terms because of how they are used in public discourse.)<br />
If laughing, kissing, hugging, saying &#8220;I love you&#8221;, and smiling (I&#8217;ll throw that one in for free) qualify as &#8220;recovered&#8221;, then she&#8217;s &#8220;recovered&#8221;. She talks a little and it is difficult, but her expression and eyes speak volumes. She still has autism. </p>
<p>The specific definitions and diagnoses do matter if one is holding forth as an authority, making claims, promoting specific therapies and asking for changes in public health policy. I&#8217;ve been around long enough to have heard many things speculated as a &#8220;cause&#8221; of autism or a &#8220;cure&#8221;. At this point, a celebrity or talk show host&#8217;s imprimateur is not quite enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/recovered-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-555419</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but I find her claims relevant because (1) if it were true that the two primary therapies she applied actually &quot;cured&quot; her son, that would be wholly relevant to many people, but (2) if he&#039;s not &quot;cured,&quot; then her claims are relevant in a completely different and quite negative sense.  And then I care because this crap about &quot;poisons in vaccines&quot; and linking vaccines to autism reflects so much of what drives me up the wall about the level of understanding of science in this country. 

But that&#039;s just my personal interest. As for &quot;you people&quot; being &quot;too busy&quot; fighting...that&#039;s usually how things get done. A lot of fighting while priorities get sussed out, then...to work...although work is also being done amidst the fighting amongst &quot;those people.&quot;

I&#039;m sure that all who read and post here will miss terribly your absence and your useful contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but I find her claims relevant because (1) if it were true that the two primary therapies she applied actually &#8220;cured&#8221; her son, that would be wholly relevant to many people, but (2) if he&#8217;s not &#8220;cured,&#8221; then her claims are relevant in a completely different and quite negative sense.  And then I care because this crap about &#8220;poisons in vaccines&#8221; and linking vaccines to autism reflects so much of what drives me up the wall about the level of understanding of science in this country. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just my personal interest. As for &#8220;you people&#8221; being &#8220;too busy&#8221; fighting&#8230;that&#8217;s usually how things get done. A lot of fighting while priorities get sussed out, then&#8230;to work&#8230;although work is also being done amidst the fighting amongst &#8220;those people.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that all who read and post here will miss terribly your absence and your useful contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth in Vegas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth in Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you people care? She has her son back THANK GOD&gt; He talks laughs hugs her, kisses her. HOw many other mothers would love to see that in their child they thought  they had lost? 

Jenny uses an analogy of Autism being akin to being  hit by a truck. He is better, he is recovering, BECAUSE he still suffers from side effects from the posions in the vaccines. 
 He isn&#039;t &quot;cured&quot;, he&#039;s recovered.. get something better to pick apart.. I won&#039;t be back here.. No wonder nothing gets accomplished for the Autism Cause, you people are too busy fighting between yourselves.. Good grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you people care? She has her son back THANK GOD&gt; He talks laughs hugs her, kisses her. HOw many other mothers would love to see that in their child they thought  they had lost? </p>
<p>Jenny uses an analogy of Autism being akin to being  hit by a truck. He is better, he is recovering, BECAUSE he still suffers from side effects from the posions in the vaccines.<br />
 He isn&#8217;t &#8220;cured&#8221;, he&#8217;s recovered.. get something better to pick apart.. I won&#8217;t be back here.. No wonder nothing gets accomplished for the Autism Cause, you people are too busy fighting between yourselves.. Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6 years old is hardly a good age to claim to know the &quot;outcome&quot; of any autistic person&#039;s life.  Using  6-year-olds as a gauge of autistic people&#039;s abilities over time is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 years old is hardly a good age to claim to know the &#8220;outcome&#8221; of any autistic person&#8217;s life.  Using  6-year-olds as a gauge of autistic people&#8217;s abilities over time is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My in-laws believe that Gus regressed and I supposed verbally he may have, although I look at it more as he ceased to progress rather than that he regressed.  But there were always signs, from day one.  The kid could here a pin drop on a plush carpet as a newborn.  THe social development may have seemed like it regressed because we noticed him isolating himself at around 18 months (when he went onto a toddler class at daycare) but I think that was because up to that point, no one really expected him to engage with other children.  He never stopped engaging with the family though.

Re: ABA, I was dead set against it at first because I&#039;d heard horror stories from acquaintances.  But we had a social worker/parent trainer through EI who recommended a particular school that used ABA and we tried it at home where I could watch what the teacher did.  To this day, I think she was one of the most effective people to ever come into Gus&#039;s life.  She helped me get him out of his nightmare school and into the school she worked for where he had an amazing two years.  So I&#039;d have to say that it worked for him.  Unfortunately, because he&#039;s so high functioning now, it seems to be out of the question.  His current program uses the TEAACH method, which is okay for him, but it&#039;s more of a struggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My in-laws believe that Gus regressed and I supposed verbally he may have, although I look at it more as he ceased to progress rather than that he regressed.  But there were always signs, from day one.  The kid could here a pin drop on a plush carpet as a newborn.  THe social development may have seemed like it regressed because we noticed him isolating himself at around 18 months (when he went onto a toddler class at daycare) but I think that was because up to that point, no one really expected him to engage with other children.  He never stopped engaging with the family though.</p>
<p>Re: ABA, I was dead set against it at first because I&#8217;d heard horror stories from acquaintances.  But we had a social worker/parent trainer through EI who recommended a particular school that used ABA and we tried it at home where I could watch what the teacher did.  To this day, I think she was one of the most effective people to ever come into Gus&#8217;s life.  She helped me get him out of his nightmare school and into the school she worked for where he had an amazing two years.  So I&#8217;d have to say that it worked for him.  Unfortunately, because he&#8217;s so high functioning now, it seems to be out of the question.  His current program uses the TEAACH method, which is okay for him, but it&#8217;s more of a struggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Sayers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Sayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My now 13 year old son Nick did not walk until 15 months and my almost 12 year old nonverbal son Matt started walking at 9 months.  He was head banging at 18 months while in his crib.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My now 13 year old son Nick did not walk until 15 months and my almost 12 year old nonverbal son Matt started walking at 9 months.  He was head banging at 18 months while in his crib.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many great minds here!

My son never had much of a regression as a toddler----all of his development was (and still is) a very slow process. Discrete trial and ABA have been helpful for him because he needs to learn best, and to feel most secure, when things are presented to him slowly and he&#039;s not pushed.

Charlie was nearing 16 months when he walked and now he can walk for miles if he has to-----sometimes I think his pattern is to take his time and then really get into the proverbial grove.

Interesting, mayfly----up to 6, Charlie&#039;s development was, again, slow but very steady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many great minds here!</p>
<p>My son never had much of a regression as a toddler&#8212;-all of his development was (and still is) a very slow process. Discrete trial and ABA have been helpful for him because he needs to learn best, and to feel most secure, when things are presented to him slowly and he&#8217;s not pushed.</p>
<p>Charlie was nearing 16 months when he walked and now he can walk for miles if he has to&#8212;&#8211;sometimes I think his pattern is to take his time and then really get into the proverbial grove.</p>
<p>Interesting, mayfly&#8212;-up to 6, Charlie&#8217;s development was, again, slow but very steady.</p>
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		<title>By: mayfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Storkdok

 Regression Versus No Regression in the Autistic Disorder: Developmental Trajectories
P. Bernabei, A. Cerquiglini, F. Cortesi and C. D’Ardia

Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders
Volume 37, Number 3 / March, 2007 

Abstract  Developmental regression is a complex phenomenon which occurs in 20–49% of the autistic population. Aim of the study was to assess possible differences in the development of regressed and non-regressed autistic preschoolers. We longitudinally studied 40 autistic children (18 regressed, 22 non-regressed) aged 2–6 years. The following developmental areas were considered fundamental in the first years of life, and were assessed at ages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6: receptive and expressive language, communicative and request modalities, play activities, and mental age. Children who regressed showed lower mean performances than those who did not regress and, in the time intervals considered, non-regressed children improved their ratings in the above mentioned variables significantly more than regressed children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Storkdok</p>
<p> Regression Versus No Regression in the Autistic Disorder: Developmental Trajectories<br />
P. Bernabei, A. Cerquiglini, F. Cortesi and C. D’Ardia</p>
<p>Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders<br />
Volume 37, Number 3 / March, 2007 </p>
<p>Abstract  Developmental regression is a complex phenomenon which occurs in 20–49% of the autistic population. Aim of the study was to assess possible differences in the development of regressed and non-regressed autistic preschoolers. We longitudinally studied 40 autistic children (18 regressed, 22 non-regressed) aged 2–6 years. The following developmental areas were considered fundamental in the first years of life, and were assessed at ages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6: receptive and expressive language, communicative and request modalities, play activities, and mental age. Children who regressed showed lower mean performances than those who did not regress and, in the time intervals considered, non-regressed children improved their ratings in the above mentioned variables significantly more than regressed children.</p>
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