Comments on: The Case of Hannah Poling: The question of disclosure http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:08:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sigma http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-548700 Sigma Wed, 14 May 2008 14:44:16 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-548700 H6, I agree with you. The public health officials in the US (and most of the industrialized world)would sacrifice 1 out of 100 kids to eliminate serious infectious diseases. I am in agreement with them. However, the lack of balance and complete disregard for our children is amazing. Their willingness to rely on junk science to prove their cause is inexcusable. It appears to me that they are losing the battle with the popular media so maybe they will finally produce and rely on REAL science. H6,

I agree with you. The public health officials in the US (and most of the industrialized world)would sacrifice 1 out of 100 kids to eliminate serious infectious diseases. I am in agreement with them. However, the lack of balance and complete disregard for our children is amazing. Their willingness to rely on junk science to prove their cause is inexcusable.

It appears to me that they are losing the battle with the popular media so maybe they will finally produce and rely on REAL science.

]]> By: aynnie http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-554319 aynnie Tue, 06 May 2008 12:13:49 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-554319 Making vaccine-makers and those who make decisions about them accountable for their decisions and how they affect children does not make the Polings evil or selfish. Making vaccine-makers and those who make decisions about them accountable for their decisions and how they affect children does not make the Polings evil or selfish.

]]> By: H6 http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-548995 H6 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:59:19 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-548995 Suppose the evidence had supported vaccines as a cause of autism and it became clear to public health officials that one in a hundred children would get autism in the process of protecting the other 99 from diseases. Inexorable risk-benefits public health logic would probably result in public health officials saying that is a risk worth taking for the public good. I don't think people realize the degree to which public health logic could care less about individuals. As more and more medical problems become matters of public health, this kind of logic will rule the day. We seem to be in a gray area where public health officials are not completely convinced about the vaccine issue, but they still need to adopt the inexorable risk-benefit approach to protect the health of the majority. The next step will be to increase the legal penalties for anyone who does not comply. Suppose the evidence had supported vaccines as a cause of autism and it became clear to public health officials that one in a hundred children would get autism in the process of protecting the other 99 from diseases. Inexorable risk-benefits public health logic would probably result in public health officials saying that is a risk worth taking for the public good.

I don’t think people realize the degree to which public health logic could care less about individuals. As more and more medical problems become matters of public health, this kind of logic will rule the day.

We seem to be in a gray area where public health officials are not completely convinced about the vaccine issue, but they still need to adopt the inexorable risk-benefit approach to protect the health of the majority.

The next step will be to increase the legal penalties for anyone who does not comply.

]]> By: IEP Prep and More on Disclosure http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-551770 IEP Prep and More on Disclosure Fri, 02 May 2008 04:07:55 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-551770 [...] gets “disclosed” and what does not was the issue at the center of the recently released document concerning Hannah Poling. I have “disclosure” and “transparency” of a slightly different sort on my [...] [...] gets “disclosed” and what does not was the issue at the center of the recently released document concerning Hannah Poling. I have “disclosure” and “transparency” of a slightly different sort on my [...]

]]> By: Emily http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-551769 Emily Fri, 02 May 2008 04:03:33 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-551769 Having kids in the first place is a gamble, and every single little decision you make from the moment they emerge is a gamble. Cost-benefit analyses would indicate that the risks from vaccines are far far far far less than the risks from even one of the diseases against which we vaccinate. Having kids in the first place is a gamble, and every single little decision you make from the moment they emerge is a gamble. Cost-benefit analyses would indicate that the risks from vaccines are far far far far less than the risks from even one of the diseases against which we vaccinate.

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-553615 Kristina Chew, PhD Fri, 02 May 2008 02:10:13 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-553615 @toxic, hope you won't mind if I take a break to get back to education-----IEP tomorrow. Very best. @toxic,
hope you won’t mind if I take a break to get back to education—–IEP tomorrow. Very best.

]]> By: toxic http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-553600 toxic Fri, 02 May 2008 01:34:32 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-553600 @kev, thank you for not speaking for Kristina @regan, yes, subject is up to the author. That was not my question @daedalus2, thanks for trying to figure me out, but I am not an anti-vaxer. Just not willing to inject toxins, so that puts me into the safe-vaxer category. And I actually do like that Kristina talks about vaccines so much, she keeps raising the question. That actually is perfect in my mind. The more the subject is discussed, the better. @Kristina, thanks for keeping the discussion alive. @kev, thank you for not speaking for Kristina

@regan, yes, subject is up to the author. That was not my question

@daedalus2, thanks for trying to figure me out, but I am not an anti-vaxer. Just not willing to inject toxins, so that puts me into the safe-vaxer category. And I actually do like that Kristina talks about vaccines so much, she keeps raising the question. That actually is perfect in my mind. The more the subject is discussed, the better.

@Kristina, thanks for keeping the discussion alive.

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-553559 Kristina Chew, PhD Thu, 01 May 2008 20:59:08 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-553559 @toxic, thanks for reading, especially as somethings on this blog is perhaps not most to your liking! @H6, Parents can set up a Special Needs trust for a child. But surely there are other ways to provide funds for it than suing HHS etc. over alleged "damages"----and if parents are pursuing such compensation via court cases, and staying that there is "evidence" and science to back up their claims, there is indeed some "muddying of the waters" going on as far as what is being said and thought and established in regard to theories of what causes autism. @Chuck, I guess I have to say that, at this point, the vaccine issue has become part of the history of autism. The legal twists and turns are fascinating insofar as they suggest how and what people are thinking, about what they believe. Certainly there are some strong beliefs at work among many parties in this case. @daedalus2u, You wrote---<i>"The only purpose it has is to shield Shoemaker and the Poling parents from the legal jeopardy they put themselves into by disclosing what they were not authorized to disclose."</i>---thanks for this. @toxic,

thanks for reading, especially as somethings on this blog is perhaps not most to your liking!

@H6,

Parents can set up a Special Needs trust for a child. But surely there are other ways to provide funds for it than suing HHS etc. over alleged “damages”—-and if parents are pursuing such compensation via court cases, and staying that there is “evidence” and science to back up their claims, there is indeed some “muddying of the waters” going on as far as what is being said and thought and established in regard to theories of what causes autism.

@Chuck,

I guess I have to say that, at this point, the vaccine issue has become part of the history of autism. The legal twists and turns are fascinating insofar as they suggest how and what people are thinking, about what they believe. Certainly there are some strong beliefs at work among many parties in this case.

@daedalus2u,

You wrote—“The only purpose it has is to shield Shoemaker and the Poling parents from the legal jeopardy they put themselves into by disclosing what they were not authorized to disclose.”—thanks for this.

]]> By: Kev http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-554887 Kev Thu, 01 May 2008 19:41:19 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-554887 Chuck - the 'base' is not mine to cover. It is the right of every person who feels that it is necessary to continue to fight disinformation. It affects autistic people and - maybe more importantly - public health in general. It should also possibly be noted that nobody else is my 'resource'. Chuck – the ‘base’ is not mine to cover. It is the right of every person who feels that it is necessary to continue to fight disinformation. It affects autistic people and – maybe more importantly – public health in general.

It should also possibly be noted that nobody else is my ‘resource’.

]]> By: daedalus2u http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-539413 daedalus2u Thu, 01 May 2008 19:29:18 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-case-of-hannah-poling-the-question-of-disclosure/#comment-539413 I suspect that toxic doesn't like the <i><b>way</b></i> that vaccines are discussed on Kristina's blog, as life saving medicines that are pretty safe. I suspect that toxic also doesn't like the <i><b>way</b></i> that anti-vaxers are discussed either. I suspect that seeing honest analysis of vaccines and the vaccine litigation makes the "Kool-Aid" the Mercury Militia is serving up taste kind of bitter. I suspect that toxic doesn’t like the way that vaccines are discussed on Kristina’s blog, as life saving medicines that are pretty safe.

I suspect that toxic also doesn’t like the way that anti-vaxers are discussed either.

I suspect that seeing honest analysis of vaccines and the vaccine litigation makes the “Kool-Aid” the Mercury Militia is serving up taste kind of bitter.

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