Comments on: The Changeling and the Pied Piper: Fairy Tales and Science in Strange Son http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:21:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bonnie Sayers http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-556035 Bonnie Sayers Mon, 05 May 2008 19:12:03 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-556035 I never finished the book and wrote my review here: http://www.epinions.com/content_331256794756 The quotes I used and had issues with include, "Dov was born without a chance in life and he would never get one as long as he lived, so we might as well get used to it and the sooner the better - for everyone, including Dov." and "it is generally accepted that severely autistic people are retarded". and "I imagined Dov as a one-year-old, falling down a deep well, believed to be dead. And then years later, a light shone down that dark shaft and I could see him there, "somehow still alive" I never finished the book and wrote my review here:

http://www.epinions.com/content_331256794756

The quotes I used and had issues with include,

“Dov was born without a chance in life and he would never get one as long as he lived, so we might as well get used to it and the sooner the better – for everyone, including Dov.”

and

“it is generally accepted that severely autistic people are retarded”.

and

“I imagined Dov as a one-year-old, falling down a deep well, believed to be dead. And then years later, a light shone down that dark shaft and I could see him there, “somehow still alive”

]]> By: Autism Does Change Everything http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-544869 Autism Does Change Everything Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:23:07 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-544869 [...] autism took my son in its “grip” and turned him into some wholly other child like the changeling stolen by trolls in a folk tale. Charlie has always been Charlie and autism has changed [...] [...] autism took my son in its “grip” and turned him into some wholly other child like the changeling stolen by trolls in a folk tale. Charlie has always been Charlie and autism has changed [...]

]]> By: Rescue Me: The NYU Child Study Center’s Ransom Notes Ad Campaign http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-544598 Rescue Me: The NYU Child Study Center’s Ransom Notes Ad Campaign Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:51:36 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-544598 [...] ideas about these sorts of conditions. The “Ransom Note” campaign draws in part on the myth of the changeling, in which a human child was said to have been snatched from its cradle by trolls and replaced with [...] [...] ideas about these sorts of conditions. The “Ransom Note” campaign draws in part on the myth of the changeling, in which a human child was said to have been snatched from its cradle by trolls and replaced with [...]

]]> By: The Invasion of the Normal Child Snatchers http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-542114 The Invasion of the Normal Child Snatchers Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:13:10 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-542114 [...] Asperger Syndrome, depression. The “Ransom Note” campaign draws in part on the myth of the changeling, in which a human child was said to have been snatched from its cradle by trolls and replaced with [...] [...] Asperger Syndrome, depression. The “Ransom Note” campaign draws in part on the myth of the changeling, in which a human child was said to have been snatched from its cradle by trolls and replaced with [...]

]]> By: Autism Vox » What is autism and what is the movies? http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-532424 Autism Vox » What is autism and what is the movies? Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:38:08 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-532424 [...] neurological tests that Tito undergoes are references to fairy tales and myths, such as that of the changeling; Soma is compared to no one less than the pied piper (p. 349). Further, both Tito and Soma are [...] [...] neurological tests that Tito undergoes are references to fairy tales and myths, such as that of the changeling; Soma is compared to no one less than the pied piper (p. 349). Further, both Tito and Soma are [...]

]]> By: mike stanton http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-531529 mike stanton Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:14:07 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-531529 Kristina does Iverson refer to Soma's abuse of Tito in her book at all. Tito does in his book, written when he was 8yo, about the beatings and use of food as a sanction when he would not comply with his mother's instructions. Kristina
does Iverson refer to Soma’s abuse of Tito in her book at all. Tito does in his book, written when he was 8yo, about the beatings and use of food as a sanction when he would not comply with his mother’s instructions.

]]> By: Autism Vox » 5 Autism Books http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-531117 Autism Vox » 5 Autism Books Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:42:25 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-531117 [...] Autism Vox: The Changeling and the Pied Piper: Fairy Tales and Science in Strange Son [...] [...] Autism Vox: The Changeling and the Pied Piper: Fairy Tales and Science in Strange Son [...]

]]> By: Autism Vox http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-530705 Autism Vox Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:49:07 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-530705 [...] Iversen’s references to the myth of the changeling to describe Dov, whose mind some “very, very dark things” come to steal in her Preface, and to Soma as “the pied piper of autism” are straight out of fairy tales, as I wrote in The Changeling and the Pied Piper: Fairy Tales and Science in Strange Son. These fairy tale references are in stark contrast to the constant mention of brain research, neuroscientists, and laboratories in Strange Son. Iversen has previously evoked the changeling myth (as noted in More CAN changeling rhetoric) and the images of a human child stolen in the night by trolls and replaced with an ugly, non-human child stand in contrast to her extensive descriptions of hemispheric laterality, autonomic arousal in autistic subjects, and more. [...] [...] Iversen’s references to the myth of the changeling to describe Dov, whose mind some “very, very dark things” come to steal in her Preface, and to Soma as “the pied piper of autism” are straight out of fairy tales, as I wrote in The Changeling and the Pied Piper: Fairy Tales and Science in Strange Son. These fairy tale references are in stark contrast to the constant mention of brain research, neuroscientists, and laboratories in Strange Son. Iversen has previously evoked the changeling myth (as noted in More CAN changeling rhetoric) and the images of a human child stolen in the night by trolls and replaced with an ugly, non-human child stand in contrast to her extensive descriptions of hemispheric laterality, autonomic arousal in autistic subjects, and more. [...]

]]> By: stacey http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-530193 stacey Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:47:04 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-530193 Kristina, Yes,the way she made it a point to be very descriptive of each and every "odd" thing about Tito but yet none if any of Dov.If you see them side by side(when they were young )the similarities are countless. And Julia,I agree with all that you said in your post..yes,if you are not "connected" with your child then he does not know what your purpose is.Just as if a therapist comes to work with your child and they dont establish a repore(sp) with your child that is fun,relaxed,having constant "circles of communication" verbal and non verbally then a child will not be inticed to be around that person and engage them. Stacey Kristina,
Yes,the way she made it a point to be very descriptive of each and every “odd” thing about Tito but yet none if any of Dov.If you see them side by side(when they were young )the similarities are countless.

And Julia,I agree with all that you said in your post..yes,if you are not “connected” with your child then he does not know what your purpose is.Just as if a therapist comes to work with your child and they dont establish a repore(sp) with your child that is fun,relaxed,having constant “circles of communication” verbal and non verbally then a child will not be inticed to be around that person and engage them.

Stacey

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/comment-page-1/#comment-530184 Kristina Chew, PhD Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:55:05 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/the-changling-and-the-pied-piper-fairy-tales-and-science-in-strange-son/#comment-530184 A friend (she has typical kids) once expressed shock to my husband when he told her, yes, from the time Charlie gets home till he falls asleep (thankfully a bit earlier lately) that it was him and me for several hours. I had to laugh----yes, I do work, but everything is scheduled so I can get home to get Charlie off the bus; if he is doing ABA at home, I cram in as much typing or grading or classtime prepping as I can, and then it's off again. And we have the greatest of times, even just going to the pharmacy or on a walk----and yes, I am frequently dense about what Charlie's trying to tell me, too. Julia, I'm going to remember that first point you made. A friend (she has typical kids) once expressed shock to my husband when he told her, yes, from the time Charlie gets home till he falls asleep (thankfully a bit earlier lately) that it was him and me for several hours. I had to laugh—-yes, I do work, but everything is scheduled so I can get home to get Charlie off the bus; if he is doing ABA at home, I cram in as much typing or grading or classtime prepping as I can, and then it’s off again. And we have the greatest of times, even just going to the pharmacy or on a walk—-and yes, I am frequently dense about what Charlie’s trying to tell me, too.

Julia, I’m going to remember that first point you made.

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