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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/this-sounds-so-sadly-familiar/comment-page-1/#comment-552356</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These two little girls are educated in their home at the expense of the school district not at the school (their parents won&#039;t let them come to the school)the few times they were allowed to come to the classroom during the kindergarten year they came with at least two para professionals, an ABA professional or two their mother and the special ed. teachers accompanying them at all times - they receive 40 hours a week of ABA for each girl and Speech and Occupational therapists (all in their home) (all at the district&#039;s expense.) I&#039;m just wondering - did any of you all receive this level of services from the public school system?  This issue, to the people of our small community and rural school district, is not about autism - it is about keeping our school open for all the kids and there are about 500 others from ages 3-21 including others with special needs that need the school to be open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These two little girls are educated in their home at the expense of the school district not at the school (their parents won&#8217;t let them come to the school)the few times they were allowed to come to the classroom during the kindergarten year they came with at least two para professionals, an ABA professional or two their mother and the special ed. teachers accompanying them at all times &#8211; they receive 40 hours a week of ABA for each girl and Speech and Occupational therapists (all in their home) (all at the district&#8217;s expense.) I&#8217;m just wondering &#8211; did any of you all receive this level of services from the public school system?  This issue, to the people of our small community and rural school district, is not about autism &#8211; it is about keeping our school open for all the kids and there are about 500 others from ages 3-21 including others with special needs that need the school to be open.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Considerations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Considerations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meeting, and then sometimes (too often?) one finds oneself seeking legal counsel (as discussed in a recent post). Being &#8220;lawyered up&#8221; was hardly what Jim and I&#8212;being both educators by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meeting, and then sometimes (too often?) one finds oneself seeking legal counsel (as discussed in a recent post). Being &#8220;lawyered up&#8221; was hardly what Jim and I&#8212;being both educators by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jane S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We moved three times, twice within the state and once out of state. There are schools who only practice full inclusion and nothing else. I have tried working with the schools and even offered to pay for behaviorist to train their teachers. Though the law requires an appropriate education in the least restrictive environment, each state differ in their political will and their fear of litigation.  It is not simple. I hope that I will get to the state where I will be able to sleep at night every night peacefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We moved three times, twice within the state and once out of state. There are schools who only practice full inclusion and nothing else. I have tried working with the schools and even offered to pay for behaviorist to train their teachers. Though the law requires an appropriate education in the least restrictive environment, each state differ in their political will and their fear of litigation.  It is not simple. I hope that I will get to the state where I will be able to sleep at night every night peacefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the article, it says the school district was forwarded $200,000 to help cover legal fees.

Imagine if they had just used that money to actually provide service instead. That’d be a fab ABA program for those girls.&quot;

People miss the forest for the trees...

Cliff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the article, it says the school district was forwarded $200,000 to help cover legal fees.</p>
<p>Imagine if they had just used that money to actually provide service instead. That’d be a fab ABA program for those girls.&#8221;</p>
<p>People miss the forest for the trees&#8230;</p>
<p>Cliff</p>
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		<title>By: Joeymom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joeymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the article, it says the school district was forwarded $200,000 to help cover legal fees. 

Imagine if they had just used that money to actually provide service instead. That&#039;d be a fab ABA program for those girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article, it says the school district was forwarded $200,000 to help cover legal fees. </p>
<p>Imagine if they had just used that money to actually provide service instead. That&#8217;d be a fab ABA program for those girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan--you are oversimplifying a situation that is dependent on student, family, staffing, training, district, state and federal funding, and sometimes, court, by reducing it to name calling and value judgement of parents specificly. Cut it out. For you the matter is a rhetorical one on a blog comment; for the students and parents going through the IEPs, the matter has more immediacy and importance. Whether you triumph rhetorically here is probably a matter of indifference to anyone besides the readers, and certainly to the cases themselves.

FWIW--there is such a thing known as benchmarks and monitoring progress. Having gone through the IFSP and IEP process and reviews, that is one means of determining whether services are sufficient and appropriate, or misallocated. Most of the people I know are not asking for the moon and a balloon; they are asking for speech therapy for children who have speech problems, they are asking for academic programs that teach the appropriate skills in a meaningful time frame vs. going through the motions, they are negotiating for approaches that have greater promise to teach a particular child skills than ones that don&#039;t. They are asking for opportunity for inclusion, and in some cases the LRE which is the goal of IDEA. From observation, these are not identical IEPs, and should not be, since the purpose is individualized and specialized. Review and negotiation is always part of the process. In the situation where the federal mandate is underfunded and we are in a situation of sorting through best practices and related training; the problem is that negotiation sometimes is more stressful and contentious than it might be otherwise for any of the parties involved.

The law also allows these safeguards and ability to go to due process. As Emily noted, this family prevailed in one ruling, another in appeal, and may very well appeal this one. The decisions in these local, regional and Supreme Court decisions carry some significance in what is considered reasonable and fair at the current time in interpreting law. Parents may possibly be unreasonable; based on the outcome of hearing and judgements, it appears that districts may be as well. If people didn&#039;t try to exercise their legally defined rights, they might not find that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan&#8211;you are oversimplifying a situation that is dependent on student, family, staffing, training, district, state and federal funding, and sometimes, court, by reducing it to name calling and value judgement of parents specificly. Cut it out. For you the matter is a rhetorical one on a blog comment; for the students and parents going through the IEPs, the matter has more immediacy and importance. Whether you triumph rhetorically here is probably a matter of indifference to anyone besides the readers, and certainly to the cases themselves.</p>
<p>FWIW&#8211;there is such a thing known as benchmarks and monitoring progress. Having gone through the IFSP and IEP process and reviews, that is one means of determining whether services are sufficient and appropriate, or misallocated. Most of the people I know are not asking for the moon and a balloon; they are asking for speech therapy for children who have speech problems, they are asking for academic programs that teach the appropriate skills in a meaningful time frame vs. going through the motions, they are negotiating for approaches that have greater promise to teach a particular child skills than ones that don&#8217;t. They are asking for opportunity for inclusion, and in some cases the LRE which is the goal of IDEA. From observation, these are not identical IEPs, and should not be, since the purpose is individualized and specialized. Review and negotiation is always part of the process. In the situation where the federal mandate is underfunded and we are in a situation of sorting through best practices and related training; the problem is that negotiation sometimes is more stressful and contentious than it might be otherwise for any of the parties involved.</p>
<p>The law also allows these safeguards and ability to go to due process. As Emily noted, this family prevailed in one ruling, another in appeal, and may very well appeal this one. The decisions in these local, regional and Supreme Court decisions carry some significance in what is considered reasonable and fair at the current time in interpreting law. Parents may possibly be unreasonable; based on the outcome of hearing and judgements, it appears that districts may be as well. If people didn&#8217;t try to exercise their legally defined rights, they might not find that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A speech pathologist is actually required under appropriate education.   There are things parents feel  they are entitled to but aren&#039;t but speech is very much required. 

Most schools provide some form of aba but not Lovass because it&#039;s not cost effective and it’s huge study is highly overrated.   


 A teacher who felt I wasn&#039;t getting enough services spent an hour with me to do an assmeant for my daughter and then went to help me make a simple educational program I could do over the summer.   
Yes I have to do all the work in  incorporating it into my play based therapy but many parents would love it to be taught by the school to provide some services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A speech pathologist is actually required under appropriate education.   There are things parents feel  they are entitled to but aren&#8217;t but speech is very much required. </p>
<p>Most schools provide some form of aba but not Lovass because it&#8217;s not cost effective and it’s huge study is highly overrated.   </p>
<p> A teacher who felt I wasn&#8217;t getting enough services spent an hour with me to do an assmeant for my daughter and then went to help me make a simple educational program I could do over the summer.<br />
Yes I have to do all the work in  incorporating it into my play based therapy but many parents would love it to be taught by the school to provide some services.</p>
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		<title>By: Autismville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autismville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe based on my ownpersonal experience that the vast majority of students with autism are not receiving anything close to FAPE in goold old Oklahoma and Texas ...

Our experience in our &quot;Exemplary&quot; Texas School District was completely appalling...  MA has been a vast improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe based on my ownpersonal experience that the vast majority of students with autism are not receiving anything close to FAPE in goold old Oklahoma and Texas &#8230;</p>
<p>Our experience in our &#8220;Exemplary&#8221; Texas School District was completely appalling&#8230;  MA has been a vast improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan needs an IEP of his own: Internet Etiquette Plan.

Troll much?

I&#039;ve been doing a lot of work on IDEA and ADA lately. I&#039;m sure that these parents are aware of the rulings as described at Wrightslaw, and I&#039;m sure their attorney is, as well. I&#039;d wait and see where this goes next and what the facts of the case are before drawing any conclusions. This family appears already to have won/settled two complaints with this district, one having been won on appeal. That may well happen in this case, too.

It&#039;s too bad the school district&#039;s superintendent had to sound so satisfied at the &quot;victory.&quot; A little more grace would have been nice, as would some sense that he was representing a &quot;We,&quot; rather than an &quot;I&quot; in his statement. But he&#039;s lost twice and the district appears to be low on funds to fight these battles. I wonder if that lack of funding might also be contributing to whatever the alleged lack of services in this case is. 

Hello? We need money for education in this country. Think how much more rare the battles would be if education were fully funded. But that&#039;s another topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan needs an IEP of his own: Internet Etiquette Plan.</p>
<p>Troll much?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing a lot of work on IDEA and ADA lately. I&#8217;m sure that these parents are aware of the rulings as described at Wrightslaw, and I&#8217;m sure their attorney is, as well. I&#8217;d wait and see where this goes next and what the facts of the case are before drawing any conclusions. This family appears already to have won/settled two complaints with this district, one having been won on appeal. That may well happen in this case, too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad the school district&#8217;s superintendent had to sound so satisfied at the &#8220;victory.&#8221; A little more grace would have been nice, as would some sense that he was representing a &#8220;We,&#8221; rather than an &#8220;I&#8221; in his statement. But he&#8217;s lost twice and the district appears to be low on funds to fight these battles. I wonder if that lack of funding might also be contributing to whatever the alleged lack of services in this case is. </p>
<p>Hello? We need money for education in this country. Think how much more rare the battles would be if education were fully funded. But that&#8217;s another topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also have to say, we tried not to hire a lawyer for years and years---always wanted to put all $$$ to where it was most needed, on Charlie&#039;s actual learning; on therapists and teachers. Going a legal route seems hardly a good way to address educational needs; part of being a parent is learning to do what you have to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also have to say, we tried not to hire a lawyer for years and years&#8212;always wanted to put all $$$ to where it was most needed, on Charlie&#8217;s actual learning; on therapists and teachers. Going a legal route seems hardly a good way to address educational needs; part of being a parent is learning to do what you have to do.</p>
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