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	<title>Comments on: Trial of Karen McCarron: Day 5&#8212;McCarron blames herself for letting her child be vaccinated</title>
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		<title>By: sus</title>
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		<dc:creator>sus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen M knew what she was doing.For Gods sake she was a pathologist....What goes around comes around and prison is just the place for her to be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen M knew what she was doing.For Gods sake she was a pathologist&#8230;.What goes around comes around and prison is just the place for her to be</p>
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		<title>By: MathGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MathGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as if people are disputing the one in 1.6 quadrillion figure.  It seems to me, that this is probably a known figure.  I will admit that I have limited experience in biology, but I will assure you that I am a mathematician, with a background in criminal law.  I do not find it all that hard to believe that the forensic investigator was able to check each of the 26 chromosones to check for a match.  The investigator could then look at the chances of each chromosone matching.  Say that the chance of each one is one in 5.  the chances of one matching would be 1/5, two - 1/25, 3 - 1/125, etc.  You could see how this number can get very large, very quickly.  Thus, I don&#039;t find it hard to imagine that 1 in 1.6 quadrillion is out of the question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as if people are disputing the one in 1.6 quadrillion figure.  It seems to me, that this is probably a known figure.  I will admit that I have limited experience in biology, but I will assure you that I am a mathematician, with a background in criminal law.  I do not find it all that hard to believe that the forensic investigator was able to check each of the 26 chromosones to check for a match.  The investigator could then look at the chances of each chromosone matching.  Say that the chance of each one is one in 5.  the chances of one matching would be 1/5, two &#8211; 1/25, 3 &#8211; 1/125, etc.  You could see how this number can get very large, very quickly.  Thus, I don&#8217;t find it hard to imagine that 1 in 1.6 quadrillion is out of the question</p>
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		<title>By: Misshermuch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misshermuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Katie very well. She was a beautiful child and I miss her everyday.  She had a contageous smile and beautiful eyes. Her father and grandmother loved her very much and did everything they could for her, if only they had been given the chance to continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Katie very well. She was a beautiful child and I miss her everyday.  She had a contageous smile and beautiful eyes. Her father and grandmother loved her very much and did everything they could for her, if only they had been given the chance to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Trial of Karen McCarron: Day 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trial of Karen McCarron: Day 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and is the author of books about antidepressant use. Today was the sixth day of McCarron&#8217;s trial.  antidepressants, ASD, Aspergers, autism, autistic, children, crime, Education, family, health, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and is the author of books about antidepressant use. Today was the sixth day of McCarron&#8217;s trial.  antidepressants, ASD, Aspergers, autism, autistic, children, crime, Education, family, health, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M&#039;s Dad - no, I don&#039;t think she is in anyway mentally unstable to the point of the instability being an explanation for Katie&#039;s killing.

She (Karen) was temporarily on meds for depression. I seem to recall reading the meds she was on have no history of increased suicide or violence risk. To me, the whole mental instability argument is just another shallow (and to some of us) insulting ploy.

To me, the issue of deterrent is secondary. The primary issue is that Karen is punished for her act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M&#8217;s Dad &#8211; no, I don&#8217;t think she is in anyway mentally unstable to the point of the instability being an explanation for Katie&#8217;s killing.</p>
<p>She (Karen) was temporarily on meds for depression. I seem to recall reading the meds she was on have no history of increased suicide or violence risk. To me, the whole mental instability argument is just another shallow (and to some of us) insulting ploy.</p>
<p>To me, the issue of deterrent is secondary. The primary issue is that Karen is punished for her act.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassiane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassiane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristina,

Thank you for posting this. It&#039;s hard reading but it SHOULDNT be easy. 

I still want to hug Katie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristina,</p>
<p>Thank you for posting this. It&#8217;s hard reading but it SHOULDNT be easy. </p>
<p>I still want to hug Katie.</p>
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		<title>By: stopautismquackery</title>
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		<dc:creator>stopautismquackery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who did you think you were killing?”
“Autism.”
--Karen McCarron

&quot;I&#039;m going to send a ballistic missile into the heart of autism&quot;.
--Bernie Rimland, Father of a son on the ASD spectrum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who did you think you were killing?”<br />
“Autism.”<br />
&#8211;Karen McCarron</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m going to send a ballistic missile into the heart of autism&#8221;.<br />
&#8211;Bernie Rimland, Father of a son on the ASD spectrum</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bible?</p>
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		<title>By: M'sDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>M'sDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think Karen McCarron&#039;s actions were unspeakably horrid, and I take Kristina&#039;s point that it&#039;s crucial to remember Katie and to understand that statements like &quot;I hate the autism, I love my child&quot; are in no way innocuous, since they reveal an unhealthy attitude and a lack of comprehension of autism as an integral aspect of an individual.

That said, I also wonder (and this is *not* meant to be  flippant or dismissive, just an honest dilemma) whether returning to the specifics of McCarron&#039;s murder of her daughter is fruitful.  I suspect that the fact that she killed Katie -- or even *how* she did it -- is not going to be at question in the trial: but I do think it&#039;s valid to think about what might be a legitimate, productive solution to this dreadful situation.  

Is McCarron mentally unbalanced, or was she at the time?  Is she just (as someone implied at some point on this forum) evil?  Would putting her to death, or jailing her for life, truly serve as a deterrent to other parents who may be (???) considering similar actions?  Or regardless, is it important to have her punished ... for the sake of Katie&#039;s memory?

I really would value everyone&#039;s opinion on this.  Of course, it&#039;s not up to us to decide -- the jury will do that -- but I do think it&#039;s at least as valuable to reflect on &quot;what now&quot; (as well as remembering Katie&#039;s life) than to dwell on whether/how (or even *why*) McCarron did what she did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think Karen McCarron&#8217;s actions were unspeakably horrid, and I take Kristina&#8217;s point that it&#8217;s crucial to remember Katie and to understand that statements like &#8220;I hate the autism, I love my child&#8221; are in no way innocuous, since they reveal an unhealthy attitude and a lack of comprehension of autism as an integral aspect of an individual.</p>
<p>That said, I also wonder (and this is *not* meant to be  flippant or dismissive, just an honest dilemma) whether returning to the specifics of McCarron&#8217;s murder of her daughter is fruitful.  I suspect that the fact that she killed Katie &#8212; or even *how* she did it &#8212; is not going to be at question in the trial: but I do think it&#8217;s valid to think about what might be a legitimate, productive solution to this dreadful situation.  </p>
<p>Is McCarron mentally unbalanced, or was she at the time?  Is she just (as someone implied at some point on this forum) evil?  Would putting her to death, or jailing her for life, truly serve as a deterrent to other parents who may be (???) considering similar actions?  Or regardless, is it important to have her punished &#8230; for the sake of Katie&#8217;s memory?</p>
<p>I really would value everyone&#8217;s opinion on this.  Of course, it&#8217;s not up to us to decide &#8212; the jury will do that &#8212; but I do think it&#8217;s at least as valuable to reflect on &#8220;what now&#8221; (as well as remembering Katie&#8217;s life) than to dwell on whether/how (or even *why*) McCarron did what she did.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jypsy at &lt;a href=&quot;http://therunman.blogspot.com/2008/01/katie-mccarron.html&quot;&gt;Runman&lt;/a&gt; blog posted a description of Katie posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autismvox.com/i-dont-have-a-title-for-this-post-about-katherine-mccarrons-mother/#comment-1587&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; by her grandfather, Michael McCarron. It&#039;s lovely and lovingly written; hope everyone will read it. This is an excerpt:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would like to say something about Katie. Some newspapers have reported that this was done to end Katie’s pain; let me assure you that “Katie was not in pain”. She was a beautiful, precious and happy little girl. Each day she was showered with love and returned that love with hugs, kisses and laughter. Katie loved music; she would fill in some of the words in children’s songs as my wife would sing along with the CD that would be playing, their own version of “karaoke” . She liked to dance, she loved to do the “hooky poky”. She loved being in among flowers and tall grass. She would say “I like grass”. She enjoyed the zoo and because of all of the drills and flashcards she could identify the animals. Which I thought was pretty amazing for such a young child. She was also the only little child in her non-autistic play group that could identify an octagon. My wife and son had a party for her the day they heard that from the teacher.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autismvox.com/i-dont-have-a-title-for-this-post-about-katherine-mccarrons-mother/#comment-1587&quot;&gt;the rest&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jypsy at <a href="http://therunman.blogspot.com/2008/01/katie-mccarron.html">Runman</a> blog posted a description of Katie posted <a href="http://www.autismvox.com/i-dont-have-a-title-for-this-post-about-katherine-mccarrons-mother/#comment-1587">here</a> by her grandfather, Michael McCarron. It&#8217;s lovely and lovingly written; hope everyone will read it. This is an excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>I would like to say something about Katie. Some newspapers have reported that this was done to end Katie’s pain; let me assure you that “Katie was not in pain”. She was a beautiful, precious and happy little girl. Each day she was showered with love and returned that love with hugs, kisses and laughter. Katie loved music; she would fill in some of the words in children’s songs as my wife would sing along with the CD that would be playing, their own version of “karaoke” . She liked to dance, she loved to do the “hooky poky”. She loved being in among flowers and tall grass. She would say “I like grass”. She enjoyed the zoo and because of all of the drills and flashcards she could identify the animals. Which I thought was pretty amazing for such a young child. She was also the only little child in her non-autistic play group that could identify an octagon. My wife and son had a party for her the day they heard that from the teacher.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.autismvox.com/i-dont-have-a-title-for-this-post-about-katherine-mccarrons-mother/#comment-1587">the rest</a>.</p>
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