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		<title>By: H6</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-548606</link>
		<dc:creator>H6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pD,

One of the political problems of taking mitochondrial dysfunction seriously in autism is that it would potentially connect autism to the mitochondrial dysfunction in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and AIDS which all may be caused by the virus HHV-6. HHV-6 is the virus that has been trying to come out of the closet as the real AIDS and CFS virus since its discovery in 1986.

Three supposedly difference epidemics actually all triggered to a degree (or completely) by one virus? That would cause the mother of all paradigm shifts and one that would threaten the public health establishment&#039;s credibility for a century. An innocent mistake? Tell that to the marginalized whistleblowers and critics fighting the official line on AIDS and CFS for two decades. There&#039;s a paper trail.

If you read Hillary Johnson&#039;s book, &quot;Osler&#039;s Web,&quot; you will find evidence that the CDC has been  in a chronic state of denial about the connection between AIDS and CFS. If they haven&#039;t been able to deal with that for two decades, how will they add autism to the mix?

By the way, this comes at a time when the CDC has been handed the task of also dealing with the detection of diseases caused by biological weapons of mass destruction. So trust and credibility are now at a premium at the very moment when the AIDS/CFS/Autism story could make the public skeptical of every word that comes out of the CDC.

The next president should go into the CDC (and NIAID) and drain the swamp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pD,</p>
<p>One of the political problems of taking mitochondrial dysfunction seriously in autism is that it would potentially connect autism to the mitochondrial dysfunction in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and AIDS which all may be caused by the virus HHV-6. HHV-6 is the virus that has been trying to come out of the closet as the real AIDS and CFS virus since its discovery in 1986.</p>
<p>Three supposedly difference epidemics actually all triggered to a degree (or completely) by one virus? That would cause the mother of all paradigm shifts and one that would threaten the public health establishment&#8217;s credibility for a century. An innocent mistake? Tell that to the marginalized whistleblowers and critics fighting the official line on AIDS and CFS for two decades. There&#8217;s a paper trail.</p>
<p>If you read Hillary Johnson&#8217;s book, &#8220;Osler&#8217;s Web,&#8221; you will find evidence that the CDC has been  in a chronic state of denial about the connection between AIDS and CFS. If they haven&#8217;t been able to deal with that for two decades, how will they add autism to the mix?</p>
<p>By the way, this comes at a time when the CDC has been handed the task of also dealing with the detection of diseases caused by biological weapons of mass destruction. So trust and credibility are now at a premium at the very moment when the AIDS/CFS/Autism story could make the public skeptical of every word that comes out of the CDC.</p>
<p>The next president should go into the CDC (and NIAID) and drain the swamp.</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello friends -

I think that the idea of a dearth of trust is dead on, and one that should have people in regulatory agencies very worried.  The problem I see, is they don&#039;t seem to be doing much about reversing the pattern.  

By way of example, the government has had laboratory studies of the biological markers of Hannah&#039;s mitochondrial &lt;i&gt;dysfunction&lt;/i&gt; for a long time now; several months.  It would seem logical that the thing to do would be to perform additional studies on the autism population to determine if, indeed, these same biological markers are more prevalanet in that population than those without a diagnosis.  

Where is this study?  In all of their TV performances and OP Ed pieces, why hasn&#039;t a single representative of the CDC, AAP, or FDA said, &#039;We really need a better understanding of how common this actually is; and therefore, we are initiating a clinical study of a thousand children with autism, a thousand without, and performing analysis for the biological markers we found in Hannah.  We expect to have those values available in a few months.&#039;?  

In all seriousness, can anyone think of a valid reason such a study has not been commissioned? 

This would be a big step in restoring confidence; the notion that they are actually interested in looking for answers.  I don&#039;t get that feeling right now. 

Take care!

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello friends -</p>
<p>I think that the idea of a dearth of trust is dead on, and one that should have people in regulatory agencies very worried.  The problem I see, is they don&#8217;t seem to be doing much about reversing the pattern.  </p>
<p>By way of example, the government has had laboratory studies of the biological markers of Hannah&#8217;s mitochondrial <i>dysfunction</i> for a long time now; several months.  It would seem logical that the thing to do would be to perform additional studies on the autism population to determine if, indeed, these same biological markers are more prevalanet in that population than those without a diagnosis.  </p>
<p>Where is this study?  In all of their TV performances and OP Ed pieces, why hasn&#8217;t a single representative of the CDC, AAP, or FDA said, &#8216;We really need a better understanding of how common this actually is; and therefore, we are initiating a clinical study of a thousand children with autism, a thousand without, and performing analysis for the biological markers we found in Hannah.  We expect to have those values available in a few months.&#8217;?  </p>
<p>In all seriousness, can anyone think of a valid reason such a study has not been commissioned? </p>
<p>This would be a big step in restoring confidence; the notion that they are actually interested in looking for answers.  I don&#8217;t get that feeling right now. </p>
<p>Take care!</p>
<p>- pD</p>
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		<title>By: RAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein said that advances in science can only come with passionate resistance to the dogma of authority.

There have really only been two scientific advances in autism research. Kanner&#039;s 1943 article which defined the syndrome. Kanner was a child psychiatrist. The second great advance came with the publication of Rimland&#039;s book in 1964 proving that infantile autism was not a psychogenic condition but rather a biological condition. Kanner recognized Rimlands work but Rimland did not have a medical degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein said that advances in science can only come with passionate resistance to the dogma of authority.</p>
<p>There have really only been two scientific advances in autism research. Kanner&#8217;s 1943 article which defined the syndrome. Kanner was a child psychiatrist. The second great advance came with the publication of Rimland&#8217;s book in 1964 proving that infantile autism was not a psychogenic condition but rather a biological condition. Kanner recognized Rimlands work but Rimland did not have a medical degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-546318</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure about what constitutes &quot;better informed&quot; at this point; what of the problems with this sort of debate is that it is not about the day to day practical needs of autistic children and their families.

The most important thing to focus on in these discussions is education and services to help autistic students achieve their best potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about what constitutes &#8220;better informed&#8221; at this point; what of the problems with this sort of debate is that it is not about the day to day practical needs of autistic children and their families.</p>
<p>The most important thing to focus on in these discussions is education and services to help autistic students achieve their best potential.</p>
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		<title>By: H6</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-546254</link>
		<dc:creator>H6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real threat to AIDS/CFS/Autism elites is that in this information age the rubes can be better informed even if they don&#039;t have a degree. If Thomas Kuhn wrote his &quot;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&quot; today he would probably caution that paradigm shifts can come from the better minds among the rubes. Paradigm shifts in the past, according to Kuhn, often came from the less established or new members of the scientific profession. He might also note that science can no longer be the closed society it used to be. He might even say, to the alarm of some of the elite, that today&#039;s rube is tomorrow&#039;s elite.

The other threat to the elites is that many of the  rubes affected by AIDS/CFS/Autism are informed and smart enough not to be browbeaten by anyone who claims that they speak for &quot;science&quot; or that anyone who questions the elite or the establishment is trapped in a bitter life of magical thinking (to borrow the Obama word of the hour).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real threat to AIDS/CFS/Autism elites is that in this information age the rubes can be better informed even if they don&#8217;t have a degree. If Thomas Kuhn wrote his &#8220;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&#8221; today he would probably caution that paradigm shifts can come from the better minds among the rubes. Paradigm shifts in the past, according to Kuhn, often came from the less established or new members of the scientific profession. He might also note that science can no longer be the closed society it used to be. He might even say, to the alarm of some of the elite, that today&#8217;s rube is tomorrow&#8217;s elite.</p>
<p>The other threat to the elites is that many of the  rubes affected by AIDS/CFS/Autism are informed and smart enough not to be browbeaten by anyone who claims that they speak for &#8220;science&#8221; or that anyone who questions the elite or the establishment is trapped in a bitter life of magical thinking (to borrow the Obama word of the hour).</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-553253</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s the same mechanism that leads us all to tell stories of all kinds to make sense of what’s going on around us.&quot;

I agree. This is both what we do, and what works best. I might prefer that it be otherwise, privilege the research, but it&#039;s the stories that touch people and persist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s the same mechanism that leads us all to tell stories of all kinds to make sense of what’s going on around us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. This is both what we do, and what works best. I might prefer that it be otherwise, privilege the research, but it&#8217;s the stories that touch people and persist.</p>
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		<title>By: TomsMom</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-546339</link>
		<dc:creator>TomsMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m not mistaken, &quot;pied&quot; means &quot;spotted&quot;
The &quot;piper&quot; is a metaphor for &quot;plague&quot;
I&#039;m sure the folks of Hamlin knew what it was when they saw it. The story lives on, not because it&#039;s an out of date 13th century mechanism for coping with overwhelming tragedy for which there was no practical help. It&#039;s the same mechanism that leads us all to tell stories of all kinds to make sense of what&#039;s going on around us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, &#8220;pied&#8221; means &#8220;spotted&#8221;<br />
The &#8220;piper&#8221; is a metaphor for &#8220;plague&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sure the folks of Hamlin knew what it was when they saw it. The story lives on, not because it&#8217;s an out of date 13th century mechanism for coping with overwhelming tragedy for which there was no practical help. It&#8217;s the same mechanism that leads us all to tell stories of all kinds to make sense of what&#8217;s going on around us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-551191</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@H6, A little too polarizing----rubes trying to cross the Rubicon and elites electing to stick to science. Not so sure that either side really dominates; certainly consensus will not easily be reached, as Roy Richard Grinker wrote last June in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://unstrange.com/media_wallstreet.html&quot;&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/a&gt;:

http://unstrange.com/media_wallstreet.html

There are some teachers who really deserve to be considered &quot;elite&quot; in their dedication to helping kids who they spend the whole day with, and their efforts are showing now and in decades to come. Very best.

@M, you are too kind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H6, A little too polarizing&#8212;-rubes trying to cross the Rubicon and elites electing to stick to science. Not so sure that either side really dominates; certainly consensus will not easily be reached, as Roy Richard Grinker wrote last June in the <a href="http://unstrange.com/media_wallstreet.html">Wall Street Journal</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://unstrange.com/media_wallstreet.html" rel="nofollow">http://unstrange.com/media_wallstreet.html</a></p>
<p>There are some teachers who really deserve to be considered &#8220;elite&#8221; in their dedication to helping kids who they spend the whole day with, and their efforts are showing now and in decades to come. Very best.</p>
<p>@M, you are too kind!</p>
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		<title>By: H6</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccine-safety-and-the-scribble-on-the-wall/comment-page-1/#comment-551196</link>
		<dc:creator>H6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The politics of autism seem to be leading to a battle between two groups who could be defined as &quot;the autism elite&quot; and the &quot;autism rubes.&quot; The autism elite trust the government and tend to see any challenge to public health credibility as conspiracy theorizing. The autism elite think that they are more informed and more reasonable than the rubes who have &quot;suspicion&quot; and are &quot;wary and fearful.&quot;

AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome divided up this way, too. In AIDS the AIDS elite helped support the government&#039;s pronouncement that HIV is the cause of AIDS, and they helped undermine the credibility of the AIDS rubes who doubted the HIV theory by portraying them as conspiracy theorists full of &quot;suspicion and &quot;wary and fearful.&quot;

The same thing happened in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The CFS elite attacked the CFS rubes who think the government is lying about the nature and scope of the CFS epidemic. They are also portrayed as conspiracy theorists full of &quot;suspicion&quot; and &quot;wary and fearful.&quot;

In all three of these political medical issues (and they are very political) it is important for public health officials to cultivate the elite to keep the rubes from dominating the debate.

Whether the elites have, in the long run, actually helped anyone with AIDS, CFS or autism may have to be determined many decades from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The politics of autism seem to be leading to a battle between two groups who could be defined as &#8220;the autism elite&#8221; and the &#8220;autism rubes.&#8221; The autism elite trust the government and tend to see any challenge to public health credibility as conspiracy theorizing. The autism elite think that they are more informed and more reasonable than the rubes who have &#8220;suspicion&#8221; and are &#8220;wary and fearful.&#8221;</p>
<p>AIDS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome divided up this way, too. In AIDS the AIDS elite helped support the government&#8217;s pronouncement that HIV is the cause of AIDS, and they helped undermine the credibility of the AIDS rubes who doubted the HIV theory by portraying them as conspiracy theorists full of &#8220;suspicion and &#8220;wary and fearful.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same thing happened in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The CFS elite attacked the CFS rubes who think the government is lying about the nature and scope of the CFS epidemic. They are also portrayed as conspiracy theorists full of &#8220;suspicion&#8221; and &#8220;wary and fearful.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all three of these political medical issues (and they are very political) it is important for public health officials to cultivate the elite to keep the rubes from dominating the debate.</p>
<p>Whether the elites have, in the long run, actually helped anyone with AIDS, CFS or autism may have to be determined many decades from now.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I could choose one super-power, it would be the ability to mentally access relevant Kristina Chew posts at the drop of a hat (well, I would probably choose flying, but this would be a close second).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I could choose one super-power, it would be the ability to mentally access relevant Kristina Chew posts at the drop of a hat (well, I would probably choose flying, but this would be a close second).</p>
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