Comments on: Vaccines, Diagnosis, and Databases http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/ Family, Health, Home and Lifestyles Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:48:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Trying to Stay On Topic http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-558879 Trying to Stay On Topic Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:25:21 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-558879 [...] here veers off into this topic. The power of association being what it is, the more “the v-word” is mentioned, the more the belief/feeling/notion that there’s a link between said word [...] [...] here veers off into this topic. The power of association being what it is, the more “the v-word” is mentioned, the more the belief/feeling/notion that there’s a link between said word [...]

]]> By: About Repetitive Learning and Developmental Stages, and Swimming http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-558818 About Repetitive Learning and Developmental Stages, and Swimming Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:06:55 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-558818 [...] pastoral poems about shepherds and poetry and…….ok, that’s a bit too far from the usual discussion on this blog. The other class is on Psychology and Literature and, as of today, we’ve read [...] [...] pastoral poems about shepherds and poetry and…….ok, that’s a bit too far from the usual discussion on this blog. The other class is on Psychology and Literature and, as of today, we’ve read [...]

]]> By: Advertising Autism « What Sorts of People http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-556655 Advertising Autism « What Sorts of People Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:55:31 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-556655 [...] is a series of posts over at Autism Vox by Kristina Chew, the latest of which you can link to right here. These raise questions about talk of an “autism epidemic” and sub-topics under that [...] [...] is a series of posts over at Autism Vox by Kristina Chew, the latest of which you can link to right here. These raise questions about talk of an “autism epidemic” and sub-topics under that [...]

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-556628 Kristina Chew, PhD Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:52:49 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-556628 Somehow I think Kirby et al will manage not to se that conclusion..... Somehow I think Kirby et al will manage not to se that conclusion…..

]]> By: Sullivan http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-554208 Sullivan Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:48:48 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-554208 I agree that it was very nice of Mr. Kirby to post the CDC document. Based on the information in it, I think the CDC has tipped its hand as to the results of the yet-to-be-published study on autism and thimerosal. I go into the discussion here: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=891 But, to make a long story short: no effect. CDC knows the results of the study and are still supporting the 2004 IOM conclusions. They have not started any new autism/thimerosal studies. Perhaps someone tipped the PSC (plaintiff's lawyers in the autism vaccine trial) and that's why they abandoned the 'thimerosal induced epidemic' theory. I actually kind of doubt it. They pulled Saunder Greenland (their epidemiologist) pretty early. In the end, it was just obvious that that there was no thimerosal induced epidemic. Still, if true, this goes beyond putting yet another stake in the heart of the 'epidemic'. The actions of the CDC would indicate that there is <i>no</i> increased risk due to thimerosal in vaccines. I agree that it was very nice of Mr. Kirby to post the CDC document.

Based on the information in it, I think the CDC has tipped its hand as to the results of the yet-to-be-published study on autism and thimerosal.

I go into the discussion here:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=891

But, to make a long story short: no effect.

CDC knows the results of the study and are still supporting the 2004 IOM conclusions. They have not started any new autism/thimerosal studies.

Perhaps someone tipped the PSC (plaintiff’s lawyers in the autism vaccine trial) and that’s why they abandoned the ‘thimerosal induced epidemic’ theory.

I actually kind of doubt it. They pulled Saunder Greenland (their epidemiologist) pretty early. In the end, it was just obvious that that there was no thimerosal induced epidemic.

Still, if true, this goes beyond putting yet another stake in the heart of the ‘epidemic’. The actions of the CDC would indicate that there is no increased risk due to thimerosal in vaccines.

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-544120 Kristina Chew, PhD Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:41:46 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-544120 They've gone up as exponentially as autism diagnoses....... <a href="http://epiwonk.com/?p=79">Epi Wonk</a> does it again with a <a href="http://epiwonk.com/?p=79">post</a> that makes it very clear that, in his latest HuffPo post, Kirby himself "shows a startling string of misunderstandings and complete lack of knowledge of basic epidemiologic design and methods." They’ve gone up as exponentially as autism diagnoses……. Epi Wonk does it again with a post that makes it very clear that, in his latest HuffPo post, Kirby himself “shows a startling string of misunderstandings and complete lack of knowledge of basic epidemiologic design and methods.”

]]> By: Cliff http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-556544 Cliff Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:39:44 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-556544 "Epiwonk could probably substitute postal rates for the sushi and continue to draw a similar correlation." Uh huh, which is the point (I actually don't know postal rates, though). Cliff “Epiwonk could probably substitute postal rates for the sushi and continue to draw a similar correlation.”

Uh huh, which is the point (I actually don’t know postal rates, though).

Cliff

]]> By: Kristina Chew, PhD http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-556525 Kristina Chew, PhD Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:34:27 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-556525 @María, thanks for noting that--- @Regan, I guess we should be grateful that David Kirby uploaded Dr. Geberding's report. Reading it suggests that he's been a little......extreme in his assessment. <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=890">Left Brain/Right Brain</a> points this out too. @María, thanks for noting that—

@Regan, I guess we should be grateful that David Kirby uploaded Dr. Geberding’s report. Reading it suggests that he’s been a little……extreme in his assessment.

Left Brain/Right Brain points this out too.

]]> By: Regan http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-556513 Regan Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:29:29 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-556513 I'm a little confused. The CDC allows that the VDS database may not be suitable for determinants of causation under the current method of data collection, which makes them bad guys, but the Geiers were attempting to use the same database to determine causation and that makes them good guys? What is the big Deep Throat moment here--to ad mit that a particular database has analysis limitations, and that those need to be addressed in order to have more individual than ecologic analysis? ? I’m a little confused.
The CDC allows that the VDS database may not be suitable for determinants of causation under the current method of data collection, which makes them bad guys, but the Geiers were attempting to use the same database to determine causation and that makes them good guys?

What is the big Deep Throat moment here–to ad mit that a particular database has analysis limitations, and that those need to be addressed in order to have more individual than ecologic analysis?
?

]]> By: Regan http://www.blisstree.com/articles/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-552355 Regan Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:19:29 +0000 http://www.autismvox.com/vaccines-diagnosis-and-databases/#comment-552355 Epiwonk could probably substitute postal rates for the sushi and continue to draw a similar correlation. Epiwonk could probably substitute postal rates for the sushi and continue to draw a similar correlation.

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