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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.blisstree.com/articles/what-does-it-mean-to-lose-an-autism-diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-613963</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ecki, are you still on here?  I would like to email you some questions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ecki, are you still on here?  I would like to email you some questions</p>
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		<title>By: Ecki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 7 year old daughter was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at age 3. She had a lot of the classic symptoms -- lining up toys, spinning in circles, pacing, sensory seeking but auditory defensive, would repeat lines from movies in response to questions, literally 30 meltdowns a day -- some lasting an hour or more, extremely rigid in her routines, refused to play with other kids, etc.

But now at 7 she doesn&#039;t have ANY of those symptoms anymore. I don&#039;t know if it was due to early therapies (sensory based OT and social/play therapy) or if she simply outgrew them. She still has several &quot;quirks&quot;. She still cries 1 - 2 times a day at school (although not for too long) and she&#039;s still awkward in social situations. But she would probably not get a PDD-NOS diagnosis if she were to be evaluated now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 7 year old daughter was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at age 3. She had a lot of the classic symptoms &#8212; lining up toys, spinning in circles, pacing, sensory seeking but auditory defensive, would repeat lines from movies in response to questions, literally 30 meltdowns a day &#8212; some lasting an hour or more, extremely rigid in her routines, refused to play with other kids, etc.</p>
<p>But now at 7 she doesn&#8217;t have ANY of those symptoms anymore. I don&#8217;t know if it was due to early therapies (sensory based OT and social/play therapy) or if she simply outgrew them. She still has several &#8220;quirks&#8221;. She still cries 1 &#8211; 2 times a day at school (although not for too long) and she&#8217;s still awkward in social situations. But she would probably not get a PDD-NOS diagnosis if she were to be evaluated now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;extreme male brain&quot; theory is unscientific nonsense, which I&#039;ve written about a bit on my blog.  So, no, obviously not all males qualify for an ASD diagnosis to any degree.

I&#039;d like to think that services and supports aren&#039;t a zero-sum game, as some seem to be suggesting here.  Of course more disabled individuals deserve support, but so do so-called &quot;higher functioning&quot; individuals.  We shouldn&#039;t think of it as one group taking resources away from another.  I think the truth is that diagnosis is fuzzy under the current system, and some degree of misdiagnosis is inevitable.  But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s a good idea to somehow ration diagnoses, or &quot;undiagnose&quot; people.

My partner was sort of &quot;undiagnosed&quot; with autism around the age of 5 or 6.  I don&#039;t think it was anything formal, just that his family seemed to think he&#039;d grown out of it or something.  Much less was known about the spectrum at that time.  He was diagnosed with AS about fifteen years after that.  Had his family realized the permanence of autism, maybe things would have been easier for him.  I don&#039;t get the need to &quot;undiagnose&quot; autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;extreme male brain&#8221; theory is unscientific nonsense, which I&#8217;ve written about a bit on my blog.  So, no, obviously not all males qualify for an ASD diagnosis to any degree.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think that services and supports aren&#8217;t a zero-sum game, as some seem to be suggesting here.  Of course more disabled individuals deserve support, but so do so-called &#8220;higher functioning&#8221; individuals.  We shouldn&#8217;t think of it as one group taking resources away from another.  I think the truth is that diagnosis is fuzzy under the current system, and some degree of misdiagnosis is inevitable.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s a good idea to somehow ration diagnoses, or &#8220;undiagnose&#8221; people.</p>
<p>My partner was sort of &#8220;undiagnosed&#8221; with autism around the age of 5 or 6.  I don&#8217;t think it was anything formal, just that his family seemed to think he&#8217;d grown out of it or something.  Much less was known about the spectrum at that time.  He was diagnosed with AS about fifteen years after that.  Had his family realized the permanence of autism, maybe things would have been easier for him.  I don&#8217;t get the need to &#8220;undiagnose&#8221; autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason to think twice before undiagnosing a child, is that autistic people are very well known to lose skills at various intervals in our life times (most notably at toddlerhood and adolescence). So even if there&#039;s not &quot;clinicallysignifican&quot; difficulty now, in this environment, with a few years time, or a move to a different place, things might change dramatically, and you want to have the supports and services you need access to them, except many people who were thought of as just &quot;a bit socially awkward&quot; end up struggling to do tasks of daily living and communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason to think twice before undiagnosing a child, is that autistic people are very well known to lose skills at various intervals in our life times (most notably at toddlerhood and adolescence). So even if there&#8217;s not &#8220;clinicallysignifican&#8221; difficulty now, in this environment, with a few years time, or a move to a different place, things might change dramatically, and you want to have the supports and services you need access to them, except many people who were thought of as just &#8220;a bit socially awkward&#8221; end up struggling to do tasks of daily living and communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son has the PDD:NOS dx, but that&#039;s not how he gets his school services.  Actually, he is 7 and only got the dx this year; he&#039;s been getting services of one kind or another since before age 2 based on his &quot;symptoms&quot; (via various evaluations).  Even now, his school district doesn&#039;t care about his dx.  Perphaps we are lucky?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son has the PDD:NOS dx, but that&#8217;s not how he gets his school services.  Actually, he is 7 and only got the dx this year; he&#8217;s been getting services of one kind or another since before age 2 based on his &#8220;symptoms&#8221; (via various evaluations).  Even now, his school district doesn&#8217;t care about his dx.  Perphaps we are lucky?</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I did mention that, for us, my son&#039;s diagnosis is a tool, his services are not determined on that basis alone.  There are many with Asperger&#039;s who do not have associated learning disabilities and, therefore, may not receive special ed.  Testing is done every 3 years and services are determined based on the testing and quarterly progress reports from his school based on classroom performance.  
As for the notion of not including people with Asperger&#039;s or HFA in the same category with those with classic or Kanner&#039;s autism, there are other conditions such as Cerebral Palsy where there is a broad range of ability and disability.  I still think that AS and HFA  belong in the same category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I did mention that, for us, my son&#8217;s diagnosis is a tool, his services are not determined on that basis alone.  There are many with Asperger&#8217;s who do not have associated learning disabilities and, therefore, may not receive special ed.  Testing is done every 3 years and services are determined based on the testing and quarterly progress reports from his school based on classroom performance.<br />
As for the notion of not including people with Asperger&#8217;s or HFA in the same category with those with classic or Kanner&#8217;s autism, there are other conditions such as Cerebral Palsy where there is a broad range of ability and disability.  I still think that AS and HFA  belong in the same category.</p>
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		<title>By: laurentius-rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurentius-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One important principle is that a diagnosis in itself should never drive services, that creates an artificial an insupportable division that goes against the natural order of things.

Disability Living Allowance in the UK is calculated not upon ones diagnosis but according to the degree of difficulty one has with various daily living tasks.

The diagnosis really only exists to give some foundation to the claim as to why such needs occur.

playing a game of who is worst is riducolous. I walk with a cane, that creates a different set of difficulties to someone who requires a wheelchair, but in each instance there is something that requires adaptation.

My mum for instance discovered at a certain point that using a wheelchair gave her more mobility and funtion than struggling on two crutches.

As I have pointed out, would anyone deny a diagnosis of diabetes to someone who was well controlled or epilepsy to someone who has not had a fit in years because the medication they take prevents it. The medication has not cured there epilepsy has it?

Epilepsy is perhaps even more invisible than HFA, in that most of the time there is no diminution in mental or physical capacity whatever, one is indistinguishable from ones peers, and yet epilepsy has a huge stigma about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One important principle is that a diagnosis in itself should never drive services, that creates an artificial an insupportable division that goes against the natural order of things.</p>
<p>Disability Living Allowance in the UK is calculated not upon ones diagnosis but according to the degree of difficulty one has with various daily living tasks.</p>
<p>The diagnosis really only exists to give some foundation to the claim as to why such needs occur.</p>
<p>playing a game of who is worst is riducolous. I walk with a cane, that creates a different set of difficulties to someone who requires a wheelchair, but in each instance there is something that requires adaptation.</p>
<p>My mum for instance discovered at a certain point that using a wheelchair gave her more mobility and funtion than struggling on two crutches.</p>
<p>As I have pointed out, would anyone deny a diagnosis of diabetes to someone who was well controlled or epilepsy to someone who has not had a fit in years because the medication they take prevents it. The medication has not cured there epilepsy has it?</p>
<p>Epilepsy is perhaps even more invisible than HFA, in that most of the time there is no diminution in mental or physical capacity whatever, one is indistinguishable from ones peers, and yet epilepsy has a huge stigma about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Roger.

A great number of people have autism traits, but does this mean that they all have a disability?  The concept of neurodiversity suggests that they don&#039;t.

Because a diagnosis is a passport to services (of limited availability) there needs to be some mechanism of deciding who is in most need.

Simon Baron-Cohen has put forward the extreme male brain theory of autism and some people think all men have autism traits.  Should all men have a diagnosis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Roger.</p>
<p>A great number of people have autism traits, but does this mean that they all have a disability?  The concept of neurodiversity suggests that they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Because a diagnosis is a passport to services (of limited availability) there needs to be some mechanism of deciding who is in most need.</p>
<p>Simon Baron-Cohen has put forward the extreme male brain theory of autism and some people think all men have autism traits.  Should all men have a diagnosis?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And gather that McCarthy is wearing &quot;tired of autism&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/11/05/jenny-mccarthy-proves-shes-“tired”-of-autism-with-green-fashion/&quot;&gt;on her wrist&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And gather that McCarthy is wearing &#8220;tired of autism&#8221; <a href="http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/11/05/jenny-mccarthy-proves-shes-“tired”-of-autism-with-green-fashion/">on her wrist</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Chew, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina Chew, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism diagnosis as heuristic device, following up on what Beth wrote.........vielleicht.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism diagnosis as heuristic device, following up on what Beth wrote&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;vielleicht&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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